In Skirmish 13, LORDANTS has an army (Spearmen n.5) with a population of 1098.
Any comments ?

I think that this is a bug exploitation !!!

Yes, it is bug exploitation. First, ask him if he knows there is a 1000 pop bug? It could be unintentional. Next, ask him to transfer troops to make 2 armies with under 1000 in each. Then, either the problem is solved, or inform all other players in the game that he is abusing the 1000 pop bug and ask their assistance in crushing him. Soon he will have nothing left but that one stack of spear...and they go away a few turns after he loses his castle.

Hope this helps.
H.

Also, I'd suggest that if you or anyone is at war with him to agree to a ceasefire with him until he's able to split the stack and regain the BP.

I've seen players in his position argue that it isn't fair for them to have to remove troops from the front and make them inactive for a while when they're actively engaged in war. And really it isn't fair if they didn't know they were abusing the bug.

Plus, it makes them a lot more inclined to comply with your request.

Card

Last Edited : Saturday, 25 June 2005 - 20:41

LORDANTS admitted to be a bug abuser.
Why none tell him to stop this unfair play ?
I ask to everyone to tell him !!!

LORDANTS
it is not ethical to use a stack of troops with population 1000 or more because they are invulnerable to damage due to a bug So if someone has such a stack, he should divide it.

TR

Last Edited : Sunday, 26 June 2005 - 07:08

[While unprecedented and a dangerous act- of me agreeing with TR - I totally conquer with his statement: ]

Lordants, please break that excessive stack ASAP and play under the agreed rules and guidelines of WOL campaigns.
Thanks.

well in my defense i did not no there was a bug for having troops with 1000+ pops. and those troops have not done any attacking on julian the emperor or him attacking them. so there for i will not use them to attack his troops in the last 5 turns of the game

My edit above was to change "devide to divide"

Actually a 1000+ unit should be divided because there are still opportunities for using such a unit for foul play like spying or accidently being in the way at just the right time for example.
If there is not a convenient unit nearby to make a transfer, IMO that makes a difference, but otherwise such a 1000+ unit should be reduced by even disbanding the excess if that is possible to do ...
Again IMO just to keep the game honest and not that I'm doubting anyone's word that they didn't know.

PS:
I concur that when one "speaks softly and carries a big stick"-Theodore Roosevelt,
one can be a conqueror of the hearts and minds of "some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time"-Abraham Lincoln;
but IMO if one keeps a trick up one's sleeve to fool and deceive, one "will harvest the fruits of one's seeds"-from the Bible I think.

TR

Last Edited : Tuesday, 28 June 2005 - 05:02

Well it seems that if a transfer unit isn't available a small number of units cannot be disbanded from a 1000+ pop army So as far as I'm concerned, to be honorable the unit should be out of the opponent's range of sight at all times until a like-type unit can be brought adjacent so that a reduction of the *bugged unit* can be made.

If it is an honest mistake, it seems to me that *sidelining* the unit until it can be reduced is reasonable, but deliberately using the unit as is to gain position and then reducing it when ready to use it is "bug-abuse" IMO;
So again IMO please be sure to keep the unit well away from battle until it can be reduced without delay to be honorable.

TR

How can nobody know that theres a 1000 pop bug when there has been so much comotion raised about all the abusers over it? not to mention the many forum sujecet headings on it? im not pointing fingers at anyone but maybe mog or req should make it a news subject one week so everyone signing in can see and read about it that way we're bound to make sure a majority of wol players knows about it and will not be abusing it or using it for transfer like sadie and lordants which both were caught in the last few games doing so. **shakes finger at them** bad kids *giggles* next time you get the belt its also a tad confusing cause its been called the 1k bug and the 1000pop bug so that may have them mixed up as well so lets get everyone on the same page about this please

Well harley that commotion is like 5 or six pages back in the bug reports page. WOL doesn't have anything currently setup to provide new players with that information. So it is possible that lordants missed the commotion.

He's only got 15 posts too so he may not even be "forum active".
Using the "bugged unit" for "safe transport" is abuse too though because it protects the units from ambush until they can be redeployed, but again he's saying he didn't know;
So he deserves the "benefit of the doubt".

TR

Last Edited : Wednesday, 29 June 2005 - 13:19

Plus anyone who doesn't even read the forum, or all of it
That means a LOT of people who might not know

okay LET ME REPEAT MYSELF

maybe mog or req should make it a news subject one week so everyone signing in can see and read about it that way we're bound to make sure a majority of wol players see it.
not a forum subject but a front page news sunject did i type it slow enough for everyone to read? *giggles* so when everyone signs in its the first thing they see NEWS IN WOL " 1K BUG or 1000 TROOP BUG" and right under the heading the byline should read like not aloud to be used for anything not transfering troops nor attacking is it an idea?

It's a good idea harley!

I think it a worthy submission.

I will second that!!!