Well Mog , we can't allow New-Zealand to be the "arbiter" for our region because, Boe now lives in New-Zealand and he will start or stop wars just to prove his theories about big oil firm conspiracies

But another reason for this not being a viable solution is the fact that this is none of anyone's damn business! I can say that for the Israeli side because we have not taken our war into your land and the fact that the Arabs do it and lose, should be their own problem. Also, these wars are extremely ancient and emotionally charged and you wouldn't want me to settle disputes between you and your Mogette without giving me permission first, right?! ...and I don't want you solving my problems. Israel solved it's problems well enough before world politics got involved.

Islam IS a violent religion Mog. You can refuse to believe it until you go blue in the face and someone (hopefully a drunk Sage shaves your balls with a chainsaw) shoves the facts down your throat. In every country where Islam rules, torture & murder are the way of life, morals are extremely different than yours and the fact that they are human beings too, does NOT mean they understand life or ethics as you do. Islam can hide and put on masks where it is not in power, and even there it works against the local regimes. Most of the terrorist attacks against western countries in the last few years have been committed by locals, 'affiliated' with radical Islam in other countries. Islam says in its most holy book that its justice is done with a sword and I'm not talking just about major country wars. Do you know how many (inner and outer) family feuds are solved in bloodshed in the Muslim world? Do you know how many family disputes are carried on for centuries killing back and forth because this is the RIGHT way of doing things. Do you know that just last week two Iranians were hung in the main square because they were suspected of being gay?! Islam solves things according to Mohammad's teaching, with a sword. Very simple.

The only reason that 'moderate' Muslim leaders in western countries are making feeble noises against their more radical counterparts, is because they are not strong enough to cause mayhem yet and the security clamp down on them is reallllllly uncomfortable.

But you don't have to take my word on this. Having lived for 10 years in Europe and the USA I understand how difficult it is to fathom the viewed cruelty and continuous war as seen and (usually rather stupidly) presented by the media. Go and visit. Go to Lebanon or Egypt and ask people around. Come to Israel and travel around to see what it is like to live totally surrounded by enemies and the sea, especially when these enemies are Muslims.

And I'll finish by going back to my first point here; allow LOD (Sweden) to decide who gets what in the middle east?! Those fat cats in Sweden can't decide on what variety of Salmon to have for breakfast let alone call the shots in a military dispute.

MI5 Rog.. MI5..

"Since religion relies on faith and not reason" - Mog

This is a false notion. There is no such thing as faith where there is no truth. Unless of course you want to argue that truth isn't reasonable? Given though that many people profess a 'faith' in something that leads to all kinds of 'trouble'.

As to the original thread topic itself? Not even worth commenting on really. It is an absurd notion even if viewed as a most extreme measure to take in an attempt to stop terrorism.

*whispering really loudly* psss... hey you... the kiwi with the russian accent... come here... *slap slap* now listen carefully... you must learn the facts before before delving into your fantasy world... *smack on the head* MI5 is the internal British security service responsible for homeland security and Northern Ireland. Rog on the other hand, listed the CIA and the Mossad, who are the equivalent of the British MI6 *whispering again* I'll give you one thing though... they ALL work for the large oil companies

Yeah, we sure wouldn't want any dern neutral parties deciding on our blood feuds that we will never solve on our own, would we? That wouldn't make any sense!

You were talking about the London bombing there Rog, seems like MI5 jurisdiction. But I don't blame you for forgetting about what you were talking about..


Anyway, whenever and whereever the next big "terrorist" strike happens (probably in the US because there's need for a draft and another invasion) I won't be surprised how quickly most people accept the spoon-fed BS of the massmedia.

Stupid topic

I agree, it's stupid to even think about this. But some people have brought it up:

A Colorado congressman told a radio show host that the U.S. could "take out" Islamic holy sites if Muslim fundamentalist terrorists attacked the country with nuclear weapons.
Rep. Tom Tancredo made his remarks Friday on WFLA-AM in Orlando, Florida.

"Well, what if you said something like -- if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered.

"You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said.

"Yeah," Tancredo responded.
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www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/18/congressman.muslims.ap/index.html

Political Science

by Randy Newman

No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

Cheney Orders STRATCOM To Prepare Nuclear Attack Against Iran
www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/30315.htm

Maybe nuke Iran instead of Mecca?

The US Military has a contigency plan for every situation most anywhere in the world. We have to. Just because we plan for a scenario does not mean we are going to do it.

Do you ever consider what you'd do if there were a fire at your house? Does that mean you plan on crawling out a window? No it means you know where the window is if you need to.

And this topic is still stupid.

Too bad they didn't make a contingency plan for Iraq.

I'd place a fair bet that STRATCOM has always targeted Iran as it targets all countries that rival the US. So why is the public NOW being exposed to such information? Maybe so it can slowly accept nuclear action as a viable alternative to conventional strikes?


And for some reason I have very high doubts that people like you BA would oppose a nuclear strike on Iran incase of another 9/11 (accompanied by the right propaganda spin blaming Iran).

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You know not my Character apparently. I'd appreciate you not making judgement calls about me.

I doubt you would oppose the initiall Nuclear attack by the terrorist on a major US CIty. I believe that you would find great joy in it.

Now does that comment sit well with you?

Boe, why would you think there was no plan for Iraq?

religion should have apart, in everything...wait, not religion, but God. religiononly causes problems, unless it is pure religion, but find that in the church these days. o well. jesus saves right? my point is, revenge is not going to do a whole lot, i dont think.
and nukes? never gonna help america. same with mecca, thats just gonna make more poeple angry too...and kill millions that dont need to die, but need life that comes through jesus. they gotta have that first, then things will get better. from what i understand, many musilms are coming to know jesus crhist, and a rate far greater than any time in history. rock on...

Yeah... approximately 3 Muslims per year convert to Christianity yet thousands every year convert to Islam everywhere around the world...

Amazing the effect the threat of death will have on the followers of Islam.

I do think there are more conversions than 3 per year though.

well i havent read the earlier enourmous posts but one thing which is that you people in the west dont understand is that India is the worst sufferer of terrorism....the london blasts happen frquently in kashmir( a state of india partially captured by pakistan and china)........