That's cool guys, as long as everyone knows that BoS is #1 I have no problems.

lol, just win 3 more clan tourney games.

3k is beating us? well have to change that ) I got time for a 30 turn clan war )

really? rematch? Oh but wait... you need to win this one. Nevermind, see what COC is doing. LOL

j/k

ouch

lol i was talking about beating down 3k but fsa will work ) but our strongest team cant play right now so well will need a weaker opponent

now now kingy, don't go assuming their 'weaker' then us.. we could lose to them for all we know. Its best not to underestimate your opponent, right Big A?

And Big A, I think Lone said 30 turn game, with your best 5 and our best 5 i think it would be another 50 turn game at least

Don't take this as a slight Zander, but against our best 5, the game would be decided by turn 15-20. While it would be possible to extend the game another 15+ turns.

That being said, the layout of where everybody landed can actually play a big role. For example, the layout we had in our game with you favored your side. You just weren't successful in taking advantage of it.

WEll, Cro. I am not so sure the issue was that they did not take advantage of it. They did have the middle castle and it is always a tough spot to hold.

Really a clan game is a game of mistakes. The one that can take better advantage of their opponents mistakes usually win. I think that is really all we did, we made a few less mistakes and took better advantage of theirs.

I'll disagree with you cro, I think you underestimate our top 5. Also, its unforunate that placement determines a game, as its random one side will always have a beginning edge unless everyone starts off in that 1 place where everyone is beside 1 ally and 2 enemies, but the odds of that are slim.

I don't agree either Crovax. Being seperated from all allies (kingmen3) is a bad way to start. Also as BA pointed out the middle is not a prime starting position either, particularly in the setup we had where middle in theory could have been attacked from any of 3 directions (though your position could have been ruled out as a weak offensive as you had players on both sides of you). In general FSA underestimated Crusaders (IMO) - don't perpetuate that.

Part of the determining factor in a clan game is layout, though I believe the majority of it is still skill (or making of mistakes if you want to look at it from that angle). The game was close enough for a long time that a slightly different layout could have altered the outcome in this case I think (either for a quicker defeat of Crusaders or for a defeat of FSA - some layout changes good have pushed things in either direction).

I do agree that we underestimated the crusaders, much to their credit. Despite that, and perhaps from my own arrogance <which I have a lot of > There wasn't any point that I felt, we were going to lose the game, even after they successfully took out one of Byron's barracks.

And while the middle spot is not usually a good one, in that particular game, I still feel that there layout was preferable to ours.

Though as Fan indicates, usually the higher skill clan will still overcome poor placement of castles. And we made several mistakes from tech choices and such, that you guys benefited from... luckily we were able to overcome your strong play and our stupid mistakes.

And, I realize we didn't get your top 5 players, which is why I recently asked to have another clan game against your top 5, because I would anticipate it being as enjoyable as our tourney game. <with us still winning> </arrogance>.

Unfortunatly, it looks like you guys declined this time.

I do know this, for future tourney's, if we take a poll to determine seeding, you guys will get a very good vote from me. I would probably go, FSA, BOS, AAA adn then Crusaders.

heh heh. i didn't realize this discussion was going on in here! I generally agree with everything written. A strong clan should be able to overcome bad placement. But if the clans are close to equally skilled (as will probably be the case in the next few games in the tounrey) then position can be a big factor. I can envision several positioning scenarios that can put a clan at a significant disadvantage.

But, despite the closeness of the game, I don't think our skill level was to the point where I would have bet on us. We made some errors, especially in domestic managing that really hurt us. But I'd have to agree with Cro, I think we did have the advantage in the positioning. Our initial plan was sound, and we nearly pulled it off over at Cro's (despite his great defense) and we had a few other spirited attacks that could have been better managed then they were. I am not quite sure about the disadvantage of having the middle castle. Although now that I think back, in the three clan games I've played in, the team with the middle castle has lost every time! The toughest thing about being there was being unable to take over any extra resources, although Zander "lent" me some. (and of course being under constant attack). hmmm... maybe it just depends on the positions of the other castles..
In any case, I would definetly like a rematch with you all. I would really like to put into practice what we learned in our last game. I won't be able to play another game for another few weeks tho...

* and I dunno if it's really possible to predict how long a game can last, although certainly one would think that the more equal the teams the probability spectrum would shift towards more time. But a game between two exactly evenly matched teams could be decided in 10 turns either by luck, folly or a bit of both.

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WOAH!!!!! I didnt mean turn 30 against FSA. Im not that stupid ). And yes ill have to disagree with cro as well Our top 5 vrs your top 5 same placement and the knowledge we gained from this last war. equals cro loosing his castle ) I would do quite abit differnt. as i guess we all might.But theres a new strat I want to try out on a weaker opponent first and if its sound wil be a huge deal in the way clan wars are fought ).

oh and just in case it doesnt come across in future postings I have no greater respect than what i have for the FSA team that we played )

Cro i we would have accepted the game you asked us to play but we wouldn't have our top five as its crunch time for a few of us in school, otherwise we'd be up for it. That and we just got used to having some sleep again

yeah, I have heard the excuses... oh I need to get sleep, or I need to study for mcats.. bleh

it's all good. I do look forward to when we get the chance to square off again.

And travis, if we had the same layout, you would need a 3rd player to come in to help take my castle, because holding off 2, can be done for long periods of time

And don't forget that support is just a castle away!

AAA vs BoP game has been added to the ranks. Congrats to AAA on their victory.

Thank you, Fanatic..we made a good match. I deserve respect to BoP. I think that the best of BoP was Floyd...:-)