My rule alteration suggestions.


Here are the rules

A minimum of five active players is required to enter the tournament.

(May I suggest 3, this would allow for more clans to join and if the clans that have more battle players would like they could have 2 teams if they had say 6 players to join. Use 3 and go best 2 out of 3 advance.)

The type of battle is determined by the players (auto,
novice)

(No bad idea, the organizer of the league needs to establish what game we sue, I suggest AUTOBATTLES being the most fair game method)

Clan leaders can work out together who will play against who.

(No bad idea, this will cause issues as I would like to dictate who my 3 players go against and I am sure my opponent would too. You need to seed the teams in some way and allow the higher seed to pick the first 2 opponents, the other team picks the 2nd and the higher picks the 3rd)

Once clans are matched up in the bracket, there will be a two week time period max to complete the battles.

(Ok, but 2 weeks might be too long, but I huess it is workable)

When agreeing to a battle time with your opponent, use WOL time to prevent misunderstandings. WOL time is eastern american time.

( good idea)

Both clans must field the same number of players. ALL active players in the clan must battle, unless the opposing clan has fewer active battlers than you do. In that case, the clan leader may pick which players battle. However, if your opponent clan fields 7 players, and your clan has at least 7 active players, you will have to match that number, even if you only have 5 good battlers. The only way to get out of this tournament once your clan signs up is to be inactive.

(No, not all players in a clan would like to battle, take the willing players and make teams of 3 as stated above.)

Anything I'm forgetting?

(You fly is unzipped)

(May I suggest 3, this would allow for more clans to join and if the clans that have more battle players would like they could have 2 teams if they had say 6 players to join. Use 3 and go best 2 out of 3 advance.)

Absolutely not. If I had my way the minimum would be 6 or 7. If you only have three battlers in your clan, you are NOT the best battle clan on WoL, I personally wouldn't consider you a battle clan at all.

(No bad idea, the organizer of the league needs to establish what game we sue, I suggest AUTOBATTLES being the most fair game method)

I would agree to this, although I think players should be able to do novice battles if both of them agree. Auto battles should be the default though. I would like FSA to get in on this tournament, and I doubt that'll happen unless auto battles are the standard.

(No bad idea, this will cause issues as I would like to dictate who my 3 players go against and I am sure my opponent would too. You need to seed the teams in some way and allow the higher seed to pick the first 2 opponents, the other team picks the 2nd and the higher picks the 3rd)

I tried to make this point earlier, but I couldn't work out a system. Something should be done, I agree.

(No, not all players in a clan would like to battle, take the willing players and make teams of 3 as stated above.)

If you don't even have 5 players that battle, then you're not the best battle clan. As stated earlier in this thread, this would be a tournament to find the best battle CLAN, not which clan has the best players.

The title of best battle clan should be awarded to a clan that has good players THROUGHOUT. Many clans have one or two or three good players...but a clan is 10 players. Just because 1/3 of your players are good battlers DOESN'T MAKE YOU THE BEST BATTLE CLAN ON WOL.

To the best of my knowledge (prepare for a shameless plugging of CoC) CoC is the ONLY clan that gives battles a higher priority than campaigns. All of CoC's members are competent, if not downright scary, battlers. You won't find CoC leaving any of its players out of this tournament. Just because there are no other clans that live up to our standards for battles doesn't mean the tournament rules should be constructed in such a way as to make things much, much easier for the other clans. If you want the title, devote more time as a clan to learning to battle. If you aren't willing to do this, you don't deserve the title of Best Battle Clan on Waronline. That title should be awarded to a clan that's really worked for it.

ok, I haven't played auto battles since they started to suck... are they better again? I wouldn't want to be in this tourny if they still suck and we HAVE to use them.

Last Edited : Friday, 17 September 2004 - 20:34

In reality, ^ector, the best battle clan on WoL would be ABLE to do novice battles, but most people don't seem to want to figure out who the best battle clan is...they just want to hide behind their best 3 players and completely ignore the fact that the rest of their clans can't battle worth a bean

Note: you only have to use autobattles if you have an opponent under level 20. It is the players decision if both agree to a battle type, then that is what they will use. They can even use the practice battles as long as they can get it done in the required time frame. That includes the possibility of a tie. If the two players can not agree, the default is autobattle.

I was going by the team that had fewer players had to name their first battler, then the opposing team names who will battle that person, and then puts down one of their own battlers. The first team then names one of their battlers to match, and the process repeats. If you wish to do this based off of the seeded position of the clan that is acceptable.

I think you will find this is the one spot that I agree with sage on. *gets a shiver down the spine* This is the top battle clan tournament! It is NOT the we have three good battlers tournament. If you want to be able to claim the honors of the top battle clan you need to have your entire clan battle.

I can understand your being affraid of CoC, and not wanting to put your full clan up against there full clan. After all their clan consist entirely of battlers and that gives them an edge.

Should my clan choose to take up the battle cry I will be more than hapy to meet them in the field. I am trying to get my leader to sign us up.

i find it only fair to use autobattles, these are the true skill testers.... novice games where you choose your armies are basically "who brings what and whos strat is better" it doesnt provide anything for the skill of the player but what you bring and what he brings.... even if i have a strong strat there are ways to best it, like in fights with giurm.... he beat me 2x in a row and brought the same army to the 3rd match, i went with all calvary (he was knight heavy) and i wallopped the piss out of him, even though he had bested me two times prior. Its not that either of us were better it was just the strat we brought, auto battles are MUCH fairer and a more accurate test of skill. Hence why i think any Tournament should be autobattle only.

DoRW, less people would have problems with auto battles if the troops selections weren't so fricked up.

*snuggles Ghengis for agreeing with me on the MOST IMPORTANT POINT*

If you require a battle team of 5, I doubt you will have many participants. I guess if your goal is a clan tourney of 4 clans then having more than 3 would be fine. I just think you will be dissapointed otherwise. Look for instance at Raptor's battle tourney.

I may have miss counted, but it looks like there were only 25 entries and only 2 clans (FSA and Crusaders) entered at least 5 players.

Last Edited : Friday, 17 September 2004 - 22:42

If we can't do the tourney by a fair set of rules, I'd rather not have a tourney.

*shrugs* By the system we have now, CoC is already the top battle clan. We have nothing to lose by not having a tournament. I was happy when the one in the suggestion forums died...and then this had to spring up. Curse its creation.

BA we aren't requiring a team of 5, we are requiring the entire clan. How can you claim to be the best battle clan if the entire clan isn't willing to prove it?

I understand that their are inferior clans out there who will complain that this is not a fair tourney, but for the title that they are competeing for, it is. There are already plenty of battle tourneys to prove who the top battler is.

If there are only a couple of clans willing to compete, it can only be because they are the only ones worthy of be called the top battle clan.

wow my entire clan wont come if i paid them, but im sure we would reach the top!

well in the campaign clan tourney we only have 5 of each clan playing at any given time.

Yes, but there are a couple of reasons for that.

1. Current maps only allow for 5 players from each side. Although Req could probably give us a 20 player double trouble mode, not all clans could use it.

2. Not all clans have ten players.

3. Do you only use the same five players for each campaign. If so why? Is it that you only have five members? Or are you to paranoid to allow your full clan to participate in the campaign.

If you have more than five players and only use the same five for the clan campaign tourney, is it really a clan victory? Sure you can say we are part of the clan so the clan won. But if the whole clan didn't participate in acheiving the victory how can you claim the clan won.

This battle tournament is about the clan proving itself, not just a few of its players.

I would be willing to accept 3 players competing in each round on this condition. The three players who compete in the first round, cannot compete in the second round. They would have to wait until all active members of their clan have competed in a round.

Of course we can always continue with the current standings because some clans would loose their position if more than the few good battlers they have would have to play.

Ghengis,
I agree with all of your last post. There aren't clan campaign games that currently allow more than 5 players for the matches and thus only 5 players can be active in each game.

Your #3 comment, reminds me of a clan that's in the clan tourney now.

I've just recently reviewed this thread and agree with Sage, you and the others that suggest MORE than 3 players from a clan should be required to participate in order to claim clan victory.

I don't see what the problem is with having your entire clan battle. If you're confident of the abilities of your clan mates, the more the better, right? The only reason I could see for wanting to disclude some players would be if you know your clan doesn't contain good battlers throughout...

that puts lesser clans (like mine) in a spot though because while you might have 10 awsome battlers my clan has 6 players that i hate to say are not exactly top notch so the matchups are uneven and therfore we cannot have accurate tourney results.

Yes, pmn a clan that has lots of battlers would have an edge, but this is a battle tourney. Participating in it would go along way towards helping your clan improve.

Your clan wouldn't face more than six opponents even if the other clan has 10. The tourney results would be accurate, a clan without much skill isn't going to win unless they get very lucky. But they will definitly improve their abilities and have a better chance in the next tournament.

Sage I only made the three player suggestion for those people whining about the number that has to play in a round. You will note that I required that the same three players couldn't play in each round. I still perfer that the entire clan battle it out.

I think the only way to be completely accurate would be to have all the players play in each round. It might take a while, but thats the best way to make it fair.

This tournament is to prove which clan is the best battle clan, and establish the true ranking of the clans for battles.

Rules

1. All active members participate. If a clan has more members than their opponents, they will choose which of their members will compete.
2. The clan leaders (or person designated for the clan) will determine who gets to play whom. The lower seeded team will name one of their players, then the higher seeded team will will name the opponent. Then the higher seeded team will name a player, and the lower seeded team will name the opponent. Then the process starts over until all players are matched.
3. Battles are players choice (auto, novice, or practice) with the default battle type being auto.
4. Players can choose to use medieval or demi. But the default troop type is medieval.
5. If there is a tie, a single medieval autobattle game will be played between the 2 clans champions.
6. Once the clans are matched, there is a two week deadline for the matches to be finish. This includes any tie breakers.
7. When setting a time with your opponent use the WOL time as that should reduce communication errors about when to meet.
8. If a player misses two scheduled match times, it is up to the opponent to choose to forfiet them or give them a third chance.
9. This is a true tournament, and will be double elemination. Clans will be seeded based off of the current ranking system.

So far CoC has been the only one to sign up. Don't tell me the rest of you are affraid to battle them.

Crest has come back from his inactivity, too

Now we're even tougher