It isn't enough to have flying troops, they can't take the place of ranged to move someone off a "perfect spot." As it is now, one can sit forever in a perfect spot and just wait for hell to freeze over and/or your opponent to get impatient and attack, giving you a huge advantage in terrain and power.

How about a demon that spits sharp projectiles? Call it a Loogy demon or something.

True, but if this is the case, then if there is ever a new version where all races can "interact" then Demons would simply be too powerful. This would require a lot of balancing work--these ranged troops would have to be relatively weak, and simply able to knick away just so they can't sit there forever, while Medieval ranged troops would absolutely destroy these ranged troops.

But I'm not sure if this is enough of a balance.

Perhaps some more tweaking of the the flying demon's ability (i.e. not being able to fly into ZOC controlled areas, or maybe all ranged troops don't take the melee penalty against flying troops).


I don't know, just thought I'd voice my concerns...

Don't voice your concerns Genghis

It's about time we get rid of the boring medieval hegemony. It's time we get the wonderful demons into campaigns.

Most of us remember what happened when an outcry broke over the Boulder demons ability as ranged units because all those comfortable with their mediocre medieval skills were afraid of change. Change is good, change is exciting and new races with capabilities of hurting the medieval troops are all the excitement we need.

Imagine you have a faster learning curve than LOD. You'll have strong troops who can kick his weak medieval troops ass. Imagine you have more time to play than Boevoipes and you'll have more time to play and beat others than him. Imagine giving BigAmigo a good ol boot right in his behind in a swift campaign because he has nightmares about flying troops.

So the medieval troops won't be the most awesome around and new techniques and tactics will have to be found to deal with the demons.

IT'S DEMONS TIME TO RULE WOL!


Nice idea Mogster.

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hmmm..... Demons are wild creatures, which love blood and gore, they will prefer to eat their oponents, not to make them porcupine but maybe summoners, as a wizards may use some spell which makes some interesting effects. For making less troubles with coding whats about creating a golem or smthg with attack 0 but with ZOC to trouble opponents move?

flying units should have greater movment points as there flying! flying means you can move very quick!
and you don't need ranged units because flying units are gona be the best counter to ranged units.
and I agree with rog people will have to figure out how to deal with deamons

It's not enough that flying troops can go over mountains and forests? That seems like a short-cut and that means farther movement. No extra moves for flying creatures!

Ranged would have some problems with flying, but ranged troops would get chopped up on the next turn, that's why flying troops don't just go to the rear every time.

No jokes about the rear part, please. It's a military term, after all!

There is no "perfect spot" on any battle map, for either race. To be included in campaigns would take some serious evening out, IMO the demons are too powerful at this point.

Pimp... read posts above. Demons are NOT too powerful at the moment and who said they have to be weaker tha medieval troops? Besides,... your obvious Distress shows!

Well, demons can fly, that was Req's trade off to ranged.

I too think that Demons are too powerful at the moment (if DemiGods are as easy to "acquire" as Heavy Cav, then they win that fight HANDS DOWN every time). And to my knowledge one wasn't supposed to be stronger than the other, that's why they're called balancing issues (e.g. flying vs. ranged, a trade off so the techniques gained are different, but overall they are meant to balance each other out).

I think if Demons were put into the campaigns as it stands now, that anyone using medieval would get slaughtered by any half decent player using demons--and this should NOT be the case (no matter how much you LOVE demons). It should be an "even" playing field where the race you have selected is simply another part of your strategy; not the over-powering force that dictates the game.


So if you want ranged demons, then IMHO they should be WEAK, AND medieval will have to get a WEAK "flying" troop of some sort (or perhaps a troop type that is really good at "climbing" and "sneaking" through armies or something--basically you can rationalize away HOW they can move the way they do, so long as they can move in a similar fashion to the flying demons).

BA is correct. Flying Vs Ranged.

There no issue of ranged demons as that would unbalance the game but right now they are very very equal. A demon Demigod costs more than twice than HC and in general all the high-en demon troops are rather expensive. But this IS part of the trade off.

I am not so sure at all that a good demons player can easily defeat medieval troops. A good medi ground force with knights and HC plus Marks and ballista will have no trouble wiping out a demon unit of any size.

if daemons are mostly twice the price, medi players should have double the units in theory, unless its been spent on techs. However fowling up on the point that daemons want to eat there enemies, I don't think daemons should be able to upgrade there resource collection. So that would mean in a campaign:
daemons get supper units which are more expensive + flying units
Medi get ranged units + resource upgrades + weaker units but cheaper
just an idea....

Another way to balancing Demons VS Medieval in campaign games, just change "birth rate" in barracks, as smal demons are available in horrible amounts (after buying some techs) Bosses are trained slower than HC.

what the hell is a daemon?

this that same mumbo jumbo crap that is changing words for their own religion thing like
magick? Or Vampyre!

bah.... (hehe dont mind me.... just had to deal with 3 wiccans that decided they want to be like jahova witnesses and go door to door trying to convert people, wanna slap people for not even knowing what their own religion is)

sorry, I play warhammer to much, the spelling they use is deamons, thats probebly why i spelt it wrong.

Daemon is the British variant of Demon.
OR
A computer term used to indicate a backend piece of software that sits idle until a certain event happens on the computer (things like requests for web pages on a web server, etc).

I have no idea what a deamon is though. link just isn't sure what he is trying to spell.

Also its Jehovah, not jahova. It is a name and should be capitalized.

Now feel free to pick apart my grammer and spelling in turn.

huh, maby I got it mispelled evan more, oh well you know what I mean, don't you?

*hugs fanatic* your so cool... can i have your autograph? *turns around and moons fan*

Sorry DoRW, I don't do tatoos.

gueritol drives a hot branding iron to the flashing moon ... the message became blurry but you can read "Mog's property"