I'd like to suggest possibly having wells in the next version. Water is always a major cause of war and strife. Perhaps each castle could have a well to begin with...

and what would these wells do?

supply your villagers with a water supply I'd bet.

They are? :S
Possibly among nomadic desert communities...but generally wars are over other things, like farm land, diamonds, metals, etc.
Quite often, a clean water supply is itself a casualty of war, but then so is most other civil infrastructure.

And war often INVOLVES water (rivers, seas (trade routes), territorial waters, etc.)

I don't recall any major empires fighting each other over it though...

Israel Vs Syria & Jordan - the water of the Jordan River and the Sea of Galilee [Drinking water]
Israel (& Britain & France) Vs Egypt - the Suez Canal [Water ways]
Christianity Vs Islam - at Constantinople (aka Istanbul) - [Water ways]
In North America between English Vs French Vs Indians - numerous occasions [Drinking water and Water ways]

Water has been one of the main reasons for wars for thousands of years, whether drinking waters and water supply or because of water ways. Wells as a resource in the game is not a bad idea.

Water Ways have nothing to do with wells... When was the last time you floated your Brig in the well? heh heh.

and notice most of those referances were involving israel? they'll fight over anything. after all they ARE responsible for more human rights violations than any of their arabic neghbors and have been known to commit terrorist attacks against themselves just to blame it on someone else for a reason to attack them (thats why one of the theorys on 911 was that it was israli mosad but thats too gutsy) Remember when they kill their own prime minister just to validate re-invading gaza? Poor ****zak Rabin... killed by his own people for politics...

but I digress....

i think wealth has been a reason for war more than water. it might be nice to have magic power come from the well though and you could cast spells to bless your troops and give them a +10% attack skill or whatever.

hey man these comments are not cool and not respectful...i dont think Wol has any place 4 racial/social hatred.
you are fanning the flames of an allready difficult situation

please keep your anti semetic comments 2 yourself

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That has to be the most blatant thread hijack in history, and I should know, I've done a few myself. Here I was asking for a couple of lousy wells and WHAM! A war broke out. See? They are important. No well, maybe troops lose movement points, or something.

It's a big world and lots of people can get on the net. Some of them probably shouldn't bother. Really.

What if each castle had a well, and you could upgrade (drill deeper)it so that it produces more water each turn?

Initially I thought that StCrispin was just making a lame joke. A feeble attempt at sarcasm in his post on Israel. After all, the discussion was about water-wells in the game and in response to CTD's question I gave a few examples from history I am familiar with, about wars that had some water connection.

So, in order NOT to turn it into a flaming debate about Israel or StCrispin's astonishing ignorance/stupidity/maliciousness I sent him a private message:
"Ref: Water wells.
Rather lame sense of humour don't you think, especially as there are no smilies attached to your post...?!"

I was hoping he did mean it as a joke. I got this reply:
"which part? there was dry humour there yes but the Israeli thing was just statement of fact. Why do you thing the US wants a permanent base in Iraq so bad? So we can withdrew support from Israel over their heavy handed tactics and illegal invasions and human rights violations. For example, The invasion of lebanon. Isreal said it would NEVER occupy another nations city much less a capital. And they occupied Berut for a decade! The also conducted Genocide there. Thats why we resued arafat and his PLO (with the rule they had to leave their weapons behind) with US cargo ships...
As for wells, I dont think anyone ever floated their ships in a well so those cant be waterways.
heh heh."

It's a major struggle between being mad, shocked, laughing hysterically or being happy for finding the first candidate for the beheading thread. But I'll just say that this is not the thread for this discussion as this is the suggestion box to discuss Mog's water wells idea. I'll just suggest StCrispin, that you start another thread in the chit-chat forum about those views of yours, so we can indulge in an all insulting debate or simply go and read a bit before spewing forth the first thing that comes into your mind.

Crispin, your nuts, but this is a SUGGESTION forum, start a topic in genral chit chat where we can rip you down faster.

Drinking water was also a source of contention in ancient times. Whether the 'minor' squabble of shepherds about rights to water their sheep or the various cities/mini-kingdoms fighting over access to them.

Having a water well IN the castle would pretty much defeat the purpose of them, since if they can get in to take your water well, then they are taking your castle too. But having one near the castle could work. Lose the water well and take a (minor) penalty to attack and defense or movement or all.

Im a soldior on a massive sheet of ice, I can't find any water, evan tho I'm standing on frozen water.
if you couldn't notice above im being sarcastic, shouldn't this only apply to the desert?

*goes into 'envisioning the future mode'*

New version...there's supposed to be 'scenario' campaigns, aren't there? How about a "water wars" or some better title...in which the ENTIRE land is desert, and we can use these water-wells, whatever they do, in that!

I like that idea, Sage. There could be a number of possible scenarios using historically contentious issues.

Have the well outside the castle, that's good too.
Maybe in version three? Hee hee.

My, didn't this one get nasty

But back on topic, it's still not really major empires expending major resources to get water, it's typically countries at most, and more often, communities. I guess the issue is how you see WOL empire size.

Food still better describes the factor we're aiming for here...and we know what Req thinks about food

And yes water was, will and insome places still are a source of conflict. Check out Ksenofont for example
But for that game if anywhere is place for wells, it's only may be an upgrade which improves defence of castle.

GET OUT OF UR CASTLE THAT WELL IS MINES :-)

I'm not sure if I may be confusing a couple of old movies but I think it was in the movie called "Sahara" where "Humphrey Bogart" commands a tank that got separated from the rest of the army.
They hold up in a building in the middle of the desert where there is a dried up well but then later they find themselves defending against an entire enemy army.

The well gets hit by a stray artillery shell miraculously causing it to fill with water and then with that the enemy troops start to drop their weapons and walk to the well like "zombies".
It does seem that a well might have more significance in a desert scenario;
but civilizations did tend to get started near a source of water and I can imagine that well water was more desireable than river water especially when a "sheep herder" took up residence upstream.

PS:
IMO "water rights" is just one of those basic claims that "comes with the territory" and has been an underlying cause of feuding from the earliest times.

TR

Last Edited : Wednesday, 29 December 2004 - 00:27

how about a tavern instead of a water source...you know a bit of wenching is good 4 the morale
maybe a bordelo with a coulpe a neon lights outside. Take your troops there and get attack bonus 4 the next 10 turns...me i am 4 sure more on it after i got my end away

It is still a watering hole of sorts.....