I think this is all about one game wich probably no one will ever know who's right and who's wrong and has nothing to do with a conspiricy from the IJA to cheat on everyone.

Anyway I think that everyone agrees that this thread is going nowhere but blaming everyone. It is hard to do the right thing in the games, let's keep remember that.

This is not about a single instance, this is about a general attitude that is being demonstrated by an entire clan. They enter every game with the intent of doing anything to win, it dont matter who gets screwed over. It is about a bunch of players that bully others, use every thing to their advantage including breaking naps, gangbanging, lieing, what every it takes.

You know Funker I had forgot about that game. The game where you forgot when our nap ended and I took out your castle, then you took over mimic's castle after he went inactive and then came back and attacked me while I was fighting Boevoipes. Thanks for bringing that up as another example of your lack of honor.

The entire clan is IMO untrustworthy and all players need to be warned. If you see them in your game, better gangbang them first cause they will you eventually.

hmmm... mr. big a....


to make this clear. i knew when the nap ended i just wanted to make sure what ur intentions were. i asked if u wanted to renew the nap and other issues in several messages ---> no answer! thats an honorable manner, isnt it?

then u moved on my third barrack, attacking from several positions which were more then 1 hex away from the barrack, with melee units... strange!

hmmm... and then finally i lost my castle, we never agreed to something like a peace or anything else if i remember right (maybe we then had a nap till a fix turn like we had before). after this nap ended i attacked u like u attacked me before. u werent involved in fights with boe at that time. u fought him several turns before, there was no info in the game news. after i started fighting u, boe messaged me and stopped his attacks on u.

A player who says of himself that he is honorable and fair (at ur homepage FSA calls themselve a kind of POLICE!) should act in an other way. but u arent able to accept other seights on issues except it agrees to ur own seight.

Even though Viva has said to me "Keep Out!" I have to say some things too.
I´m a friend of Viva in real life too. He said "oh please don´t say that then they will accuse you too of all this stuff". He introduced me to this game, he made me the good player campaigner as well as battler I am now. He introduced me with about this sentence: Good game, good community, good clan i´m in, all of them nice guys. I didn´t join them from the start i walked around alone first, and did my own things.
So now to the guys who think they´re right here: you´re jealous, I mean WHO of you could mess with Viva´s Skill??? I played him too, after i´ve won two 1-40 campaigns and won game 13 and i thought i was good. hell was i wrong. So the guys should stand up who can mess with Viva, those who think they were offended or gangbanged by him! He said to me he never gangbanged, and he added that in his current game BA attacked him while he was fighting TCWeb. He said : "please don´t say that, i´m not a crybaby, i´m through with them."
I just wanted to say that, and spit down on you who insulted my friend.
You guys here managed to let him leave the forum and after his current campaign the whole game, The Best Campaigner this game currently has!
At least he promised me to kick you BA out of the current game you both are in.
As i asked him what Rog Ironfist always wants in this discussions, he said that he doesn´t want to talk about it, he said he said sorry, but all these guys are like little kids: "they think they´re adults but cry around cause of a game, don´t accept if someone says sorry and are insulting you , man you can´t imagine, read the forum, he calls me a gollum! ....you know now why i leave?"

So all together i would say you´re searching a scapegoat:
and you found IJA.
this is the proof: "The entire clan is IMO untrustworthy and all players need to be warned. If you see them in your game, better gangbang them first cause they will you eventually." from BA
What Rog Ironfist said is not better.
It shows the character of the people who are acting like kids here as Viva said.
You´re all jealous loosers, I hope our clan can talk to Viva to stay in this game. That you guys keep on hiding behind walls if he comes around. A true statement from him, he showed me some nice screenshots.

Distel05 little buddy

I’ll be very gentle so please pay attention.

For once in your life you should have listened to Viva. Out of all the times he was talking, this is the single time you should have listened. When he told you to ‘stay out’, you should have! I guess you’re just too young and impressionable, thus it wasn’t too hard to brain wash you, but Viva was correct! Why get yourself entangled in this mess? Now, you’ll only draw fire in an environment which is thoroughly unpleasant and not yours.

I must commend you on going to the defence of your friend, which is an honourable trait but Viva was not accused of anything here, at least not individually. You bringing his name into this discussion is something of a mistake, if only for the implied guilty conscience behind the post. If I am not mistaken, Viva is not even a member of IJA any more and has no part of the current issue in Game 17.

This is the wrong thread to take Viva’s side. My own fight with Viva over ethics, honour and game rules is a personal matter and does not belong in this thread. Neither you distel05 an MIJ member nor Viva who is currently clanless, are involved in this,… and before you say anything back, I’ll explain that I am(/was) in Game 17 and got Byron’s request for help (though sadly Bogoliubovsky made it impossible for me to pursue this matter by beating me in a great way.)

I think that the post I made above was rather conciliatory and quite in a good mood and spirit; to try and solve this Game 17/IJA predicament, and if you ask Funker or zorg, they will agree. I was actually suggesting a way out of this. But being “Viva’s friend” might have caused you to confuse the issues and seek out an avenue against me. Listen to your mentor, tiny little distel05, and stay out of this debate. It’s not about Viva or me, not even remotely about you and definitely not about ‘I’m more mature than you’ debate.



Good show Viva. Can he perform any more tricks?

U are absolutely right, distel! it seems to me, that some are really looking for a scapegoat coz they suffer from their lowskill... this thread and the accusations remind me somehow to (yeah, swallow!) ***** ******!!! The "**************" was the beginning...

This sentence of BigA could have been spoken by ****, too:

"The entire clan is IMO untrustworthy and all players need to be warned. If you see them in your game, better gangbang them first cause they will you eventually."

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uhm yeah sorry but you are so really missing the point here Funker....

first i thought let's stay out of this thread but You Compared a player here With ***** ******.... this is way out of line.... you can someone an asshole or a bitch .... but comparing a player with ******

behhh that's the lowest you can get

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hanky, geezz...if there was a Wpotm I would be constantly winning...

The odd thing, is tha with the obvious coordination that IJA has had with each other in regular games, you would think they wouldn't suck so bad in Clan games. I guess they are only good at coordinating in 2v1 or 3v1/2 situations not 5v5.<crovax>

haha you must be joking.I bet your dad rofled arround when he saw you the first time.

sorry but you are talking bullsh*it.
we have only lost one clan fight to BoS and this clan is as strong as our clan.sometimes you win such a fight and sometimes you lose it.

next time you remember 2 possibilities
1)you know facts
2)you are quiet

The way I see it people feel that if it doesn't go the way they want it to go then they have every right to whine and complain in front of the entire community. And even then it isn't enough. Some noob whined that he was being ganged by 3 people, 2 who are long time players and what happened? Peolple told the noob to go suck it up, how ever if any high ranking player or long time person doesn't obay the mob culture then they are to be black listed. Right now it seems the "upper class" of players are trying to black list people who doen't play by their rules.

This is sick. Who the hell would want to play this game anymore when you can no longer find the joy or entertainment of the game for fear of your fellow players.

In my eyes WOL is dead. It can no longer attract new players and the current players are making current and new players leave.

Hanky,
Your rebute of Funker perhaps is a bit overboard as well. Once someone has been called a liar, cheat, ect...we could hardly expect nothing other than an answer in similar fashion.

I also believe that any and all persons (real life or in-game friends), have the right to post their feelings concerning a friend/clan that has had certain charges leveled upon them....so I don't think distel's comments are out of line nor misplaced. As one person (has the right) to accuse another of an infraction, another should be able to comment on that person's character.

Any players that have been here for 2 years or more know that I certainly won't remain silent/inactive if attacked in the forums or on the field. Also remembering some of these instances, I appreciated others that spoke of their dealings with me and my code of conduct in the field.

We are ALL selfish here...in our games...we ALL desire what is best for our personal gain and the success of our efforts. And being selfish and self-serving, each situation is 'seen' differently by each player. When one believes their actions to be correct/allowable...another would disagree. And thus...we have disagreements, two or more players taking opposing positions, both thinking 'they' are in the right.

Being in Slow 11, neighboring Viva, Funker and BigAmigo, I have talked with all and just as mentioned above, each one of these players 'see' the situation slightly to totally different than the other. And then adding to those 3 positions...I 'see' it at a different angle, and can agree in a different degree with each player's personal opinion.

Each player is simply stating their positions/opinion...well, it can get alittle 'intense' at times...but that's good...'freedom of expression', right?...and the forums are here to provide the means.

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Isn't that just precious?

One of the ugliest, biggest fights break out and who shows up to stir things further, after promising several times already not to come back and never to post again? Who?

The most despised player in WOL history. You must be revelling in this kind of bickering and accusations ehh? Right up your alley...

If you so hate WOL and the things that go on here, get out and never come back. While I was hoping this whole IJA thing could be solved between those who 'suffered' by IJA hands and IJA making their case, things went really bonkers.

We now have one high-pitched voice yapping about a personal matter (distel about Viva & Rog) and now the weasel-iest person to ever play an online game (savetuba) preaching an 'I told you so' sermon.

Mayhem and chaos galore. The demons of strife and misery are having a field day because of everyone here, including me . Isn't it just precious?

Let us all raise a big toast of poisoned wine for this wonderful celebration.

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Cheers, Rog.

well sugar you have to admit that funker didn't like his post as well that why he made everything ******

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Cheers Rog make mine a double

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yeah. i changed it coz u can misunderstand it, and that was not the point, i wanted to achieve.

the way BA posts leads us to a pursuit of IJA members in any game! and that is not right.

he has no evidence for what he says to accuse the IJA, coz there is no evidence.

BA, SHOW ME THE WEAPONS OF MASSDESTRUCTION!


Attention:

I declare war to BigAmigo and Byron.
This is for any game that will start from now on.

The running games arent affected.

There will be no NAP or anything else with him/her. I will message all players in these future games that they know, when I find one of them I will hunt them down, no matter if they are at war with someone else or not. If I am in a game with both of them, I see no problem if the go on a 2 on 1 vs. me, coz I declared war to them! If they want to stop the war they can send me a private message.

End.

Funker, u declared the global war to BA and Byron !

LOL


I would propose a peace conference. Personal dislike would ruin the game.

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hmm at least this is cleared now

So Rog started to threat me, great one Rog. Your post says alot and now you message Viva this:
from Rog:
"For once, I think you gave good advise to distel05 and now he'll suffer for it. Real shame he posted in the IJA thread. It wasn't even about you and me and he brought it up. Very bad idea to post there."

what do you wanna say with this? I think anything you say will be a threatening again. As all your posts are, calling me little distel and giving me a dogs name, you really seem to think you´re the greatest and best here as Viva said. Have you ever heard that the great guys were the ones able to move back and say sorry? I know that I´ll be the next target as Viva was it before. And it is part of this thread because it´s an IJA-member, you take part in this thread and are also responsible for what happens here.
I begin to understand what Viva and the other IJA members have to go through maybe since weeks. I´m an IJA member too, MIJ is the clan for the members who don´t play clangames. And Viva is no more in the clan you´re right there but he´s still part of IJA, and I´m proud of it.

Rog is showing his character here too, exactly what Viva said to me.

And yes i think BA´s post said alot about these people.

I think that everyone makes mistakes, everyone knows that this is a game. But this thread is really the worst I´ve seen in every Board and game i was so far.

ROFLMAO...

This really isn't fair.

I think I'll just say nothing for a while and wipe my tears off...