*raises an eyebrow* Ya know I've never exactly had war declared on me in quite this fashion. I'm unsure if I should be insulted or take this as a compliment. I think I'm going to take it as a compliment that someone feels they have to threaten me in any game that I happed to be playing in. Nice to have that kind of power over someone.

you´re arrogant, i just showed you what you wrote and did. if i talk to someone i´m not giving him the name of a dog because i know that this offends him. you haven´t learned that at home?
As I mentioned, you´re just jealous.

Hey Jess!

take it not that serious! its only a game! lol

u shouldnt be insulted, this isnt my aim. i just wanted to make this sure for the future. i am sitting here all the time, tipping with a bright smile! it is funny how all of us get into this! i like this thread!

how do we get out of this? well... maybe it will come to a big clan game IJA vs. FSA. but i dont know...

Jess, u always say "i will beat u in a 1 on 1!", what is this right now in game 17 what we have? zorg didnt attack u nor he had planned it. it is a bit strange to say he is the reason why u are losing against me. it is cheap, to take him as a scapegoat for ur loss...

Ahhh the uglier side of WoL....it warms the co_ckles (silly word filter) of my heart.[/sarcasm]


In all reality should anyone be in THAT much of a "tizzy" over an online game?
(not to say that all parties involved/posted/etc. are)

Moreover is there ANY call for verbally insulting anyone in here at any time?

In both cases I'd say no (but perhaps I'm just a liberal, commie, hippy, gang-banging, dog-leash holding, fat American, god-less, hopeless, annoying morAn).


We all have disagreements about "how" the game should be played, and I think sugar characterized things well, in that we're all a bit selfish and self-centered as it's hard NOT to be in a game setting (where we all want to win). So though discussions like this are rarely fruitful, they aren't completely futile. However they can (and have) quickly deteriorate when the verbal abuse begins.

Is there ANY reason to verbally abuse someone because you don't agree with their opinion or don't think that they should even post their opinion?

Short answer, no.
Long answer, no there is no reason. [what I can't be humorous at the same time]


So I'm make a plea (no doubt in vain) for EVERYONE to stop the verbal abuse/name calling. Is distel05 a dog or a puppy? Though canines are wonderful animals and bright, I seriously doubt they are capable of playing WoL or posting in the forum, so NO he's not a dog. So why immediately take a condescending "tone" by referring to him as a child or a puppy? That is in no way constructive. Nor is telling someone that they are the most hated player at WoL. I, for one, don't hate savetuba and think he is flamed for his views FAR too often (but again I'm a liberal, commie, hipppy, blah blah blah blah).

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Cliff's notes:
discussing things of this nature = ok (though usually fruitless)
name calling = bad



Let the flaming of Bob-o begin....

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I have never in any campaign game teamed with another FSA player and attacked another, unless that did it first. I have never in nay game attacked a player that was at war unless they had done it first. I have never in anygame captured a players resouces that was at war, unless they had done it first. I have never in any game broke a nap unles they had did it first. I do not scout out my friends enemies in hopes that they attack me and give me excuse to gang bang. I do not make an agreement with a player and thn give his positions and troops strengths to his enemy. I do not ridicule my enemies, unless they do that first. I do not post these things unless they are true.

That is the standard by which I play this game, that is the standard by which most of us play this game, that is not the standard by which IJA plays this game. Funker and the vast majority of IJA do not have these standards. Their leader King Richard does not hold them to these or any standards that I can see. Req has outlawed 2nd clans. Distel, your clan is in violation of Reqs policy of no 2nd clan attachments. So now remember that theynow have 2 clans that they can use to outnumber you in regular clan games.

By your actions you shall be known. And I know IJA to be a clan of bullies, liars, gangbangers and nap breakers. They have no honor and can not be trusted.

BigAmigo has given his opinion. He has been answered. Now we know where various people stand on this issue. Is there any further purpose served by continuing to bash each other? This thread is making me ill. In fact, I am beginning to agree with savetuba, which is horrifying. If the namecalling and blacklisting continue, how many new players will want to join this "community"?

I suggest that in future people keep this sort of issue private, messaging those who need to know. If BA had sent me a message with these complaints I would have been happier than seeing the game get ripped apart by those (many) who have an axe to grind.

How about closing this thread before we lose new, impressionable players? I understand that people have grievances that need expression, but a thread that merely attacks a clan isn't especially useful.

BA, you could have communicated directly with anybody you thought could have used this information.

Rog, you let the worse part of your personality show by belittling distel. Please, don't condescend to others. The better part of your personality is so great it is a shame to see your "other side".

Length of stay isn't as important to me as depth of committment in this game and there are "vets" who play horribly badly, too!

Hanky, please use the word "one" instead of "you" when describing common situations, I thought you were speaking to me in your post that was under mine!

savetuba, you want to be the most hated person playing wol (as you have stated), ok, go ahead, but you have some stiff competition. As far as I can tell, your only useful contribution to this game was your thread on.....clan games! More of that, less hateful behavior. please. And please quit predicting doom for wol, you are wrong and have been shown to be wrong by our continuing participation.

Folks, play like demons. This isn't a kissy face game, it is war. But try to win as cleanly as you can, then as BA says, you won't have attacked players in gangs, break naps, steal resources while others are fighting. These things show a bad player, a weak player. One who needs to cheat to win. If you are losing, it's because the other player is better at this than you, not necessarily because they are dishonorable.

Really dishonorable behavior can be reported to Requiem although I doubt he wants to hear it and also can't do too much about it anyway. Some situations might be solvable by him, such as multi accounts, but I doubt he could say or do anything for this particular one.

OK, BA, please close this thread, let's get back to killing each other, not dissing each other!

Mog

I vote for Mog for our UN representative from WOL!

youl are being stupid utterly and completely i ahve been trying to stand out of this thread the hole time but i cant anymroe cause its just getting ridiculous

ITs WAR GAME if you cant handle it deal with it if you think things need to be done do it BUT do it in the game not outside of the game


This is making some good players look like Babies

I think mayby that FSA players and IJA players should not be in any games together because in that case it will make great turmoil in that game cause i know if i see that kind of stuff 2 v 2 battles happening around me that id have to jump in if im caught in a corner or something cause then youl are going to accuse somone else of banging when really there just trying not to fall behind i think youl should settle this in a ultra and get all your FEALINGS out BUT why screw each others rank when yyou could just do a none rank for bragging rights then have this done and over.

WAR is not pretty folks and i think we are going to have to realize the cruel reality that this is what really happens in war lets look at romans for instance(just example if im not mistaken bRutus and Cassius killed ceasor then mark antony Octavious Ceasor andsoem other guy were at war with brutus and cassius they killed them then them threee empires end up breaking naps and OCtavious Axes the other guy leaving just him And mark antony long time friends which in the end oCtavious ceasor backstabbs him and the world wasnt complaining.


Now i know this is about dishonour but if there gonig to be dishounerable do what they do learn something about the way they play MAYBY even take some tricks from them if you are a Savvey wol player (SAVVEY = More experienced)
Distel i think this is a thread you mayby shouldnt of posted in but i respect you for it taking up for your friend good job.
BA you have strong views just bring them to the public in a diffrent manner cause your always starting soemthing like this it seems (may jsut be me)
Funker i know of you doing these things befor but i still looked up to you as a big player i knew what you were doing


I think this is just one of those things that IJA are sworn enemies of FSA and nothing really going to settle except for mayby if any fo you have the balls to offer for a fresh start
Theres my views

*Sorry For any mispelling they will occur*

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This is not FSA vs IJA. It is me vs IJA. I'll close this thread when the members of IJA quit playing this way or when King Richard makes a public stance against how his clanmates play.

Oh and when their 2nd clan is dissolved because that is not allowed per req. He made BOP and BOS both disslove their 2nd clans. So now IJA gets to fill games with more members so they can clan bash, great.!!

I understand that with so few players the 2 clan per game rule is kind of hard to do, but when they join 3 or 4 at a time and cooperate in killing off everybody else, its just plain wrong.

Nobody made BOP or BOS dissolve their 2nd branches. They dissolved naturally due to lack of active players.

And now something more closely on topic..
Much like sugarleo, I have personally never had any problems with any members of IJA or MIJ in any of my games. So perhaps the problem isn't quite as widespread and serious as some of you may suggest.

This whole discussion seems to have been sparked because zorg moved into Byron's territory and made her nervous. This is hardly a full on 2v1 gangbang. A few private messages surely could have resolved this problem. Similar things happen regularly and in high level games they are easily resolved through communication. Had zorg actually refused to leave Byron's territory once spoken to then it would have been another matter.

Edit: Ok I've been told that zorg is still sitting in Byron's lands despite being told to move out.. Well then he is in the wrong. I believe interfering in a fair 1v1 (even if its just putting armies there that do not harm the player directly, that presense still puts the player under undue stress) is one of the worst things a player can do. So the first step to resolve this issue should be zorg moving out of Byron's territory.

And to all those that say this thread is useless and that the WoL community is degrading you are only speaking out of your asses. This is a war game and tempers fly now and then, but what makes this community great is that eventually all matters are settled and we all happily move on with our killing.

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No Boe it is not, it is not about a single incident or a single person it is about an attitude that this entire clan has. They disrespect other players, they disrespect the game.

And I'll find where req made it manditory for no clan to have a 2nd clan.

Req:

Posted : Friday, April 26, 2002 - 03:12

in my view, anyone who uses multi-clans is cheating. it enables more than 2 players in your clan to join each game which is cheating, and is unfair to all the other players.



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I bumped that thread from almost 3 years back in Chit CHat. Having a 2nd clan is illegal.

my 2 cents. i haven't had a problem with IJA, sure ethedog and I fight everytime we are in the same game..its not ugly, he just doesn't like BoS, and that's fine. Funker and I have been friends from the early days...and he's been a loyal friend...so until he proves me wrong, I'll back him 100%. the others, i haven't worked with much. i'd have no problems joining a game with any of them. And until i'm proved wrong, even if so, i'd put up a fight they'd wish they picked on someone else.

Thanx, Negative Creep!

@BA

Slow 11 ---> U are in, Byron was in and Gueritol is in. More then 2 players, right?

Didnt u have a 2nd clan either? ok, now its gone...

Yep, BA I kinda disrespect u! The reasons are mentionend before. U can get along with me very easy. U only have to communicate with me in a normal way. But u didnt. I thought, in cause of ur high level, u were a honorable player, when we met the first time. but with ur behaviour u lost the credit. everytime u smell a small disadvantage u start blaming others for their luck or their skill and that is not right.

I do not disrespect other players in game! Their armies cant be disrespected. But in the way some players act in the forums I disrespect them. After u couldnt beat some of us in campaigns u try to beat us in the forums and discredit every player of IJA for the future! Ur announcement that other players should gang up on IJA is very honorable so far, officer BA. U give everyone a bad feeling, if he meets one of us in the game.

BA no one likes to lose. But somehow u have to deal with it. U are chosing the wrong path to solve this problem in saying every player of IJA is a cheater, gangbanger.....
U see, many other players dont think like u or FSA. So I come to the result, that u have a personal dislike vs. some of our players, not really in the way they are playing only in the person.

like zorg took the ressource buildings of UNKNWON i could have thought of u too. u would have done this too, that is my sense about it! thats the way I think u are playing. looking for any advantage in the game. its nothing bad to say about this, everyone is doing this. but for u it is bad if u cant do it and another player is able to.

heh, Ok I mention 9 examples of ways in which IJA has played in a dishonest way and your only issue with me is because I would not reply to your message requesting a nap in a game that we played over a year ago?

Well, that dont make sense. But whatever.

I tell you what, I'll close this thread, until the next time I come across another dishonest act commited by the members of IJA. Oh and your 2nd clan is still in violation of Reqs policy of no 2nd clans. Since viva is in that clan now, it wouild also be in bad sport for him to play in the clan tourney as they are not a members of IJA.

Funker, keep me posted on what games your qued up in, I'll see if I can make it.

Oh and I guess if you can figure out a way to beat AAA we can settle this in the clan tourney, but with out viva I doubt you could beat them anyway.

I know in the new version Req plans to make a 1v1 campaign game option. Might be fun to take out the whole clan, one at a time, when they cant reach for an ally to come to their aid.