I wish there was a 80 turn game. Thats a complete game, but not too long.

*Raises hand* *Raises other hand*

Does that count for two?

*Raises both feet*

Just in case

15 minute games are not worth it...it would be extremely hard to move a lot of troops like that...i could play such a game but if you dont like ultra games and their current setup then dont join them i often find myself joining ultra games when i have a long vacation...and on summers...maybe my next vacation i can do it....and i too pass out sometimes but if i have a stable internet connection ill be OK...um this suggestion(the fifteen minute one) is somewhat acceptible but it just wouldnt work for something as complex as a campaign...too many decisions for such a limited amount of time...if you can make it an hour...then i guess it is possible...by cutting the amount of turns to lets say....65-75 turns...i just read B_W's suggestion about decreasing costs and whatnot but that still would not work...the issue here is having enough time to actually WORK everything out...your troops the resources the techs recons and whatever else you can think off...some things can really get to you for example...you might forget to get techs or change troop production....and it just wouldnt be very fun like that now would it?

"Ultima"
This is only the second time I have ever said "um", but anyway no where did I say,
"eliminate the "two-hour Ultras"";
So my friend if you like the "two-hour Ultras" AS IS,
I'm sure you will be able to continue playing the
"two-hour Ultras" AS IS;

but several of us who are ABLE would like to play a "marathon ultra" that can be played in less than a day without missing a turn or "passing out" for lack of sleep over AS long or longer than 5 days in an attempt to complete as many turns as possible.
I have also suggested a *3 tick/hour* "marathon ultra" which would be 20'/tick and IMO plenty of time to complete all tasks during a turn even though I think 15'/tick is enough also.

In conclusion we are not taking anything away from those who like the "two-hour Ultra" or at least I'm not and IMO the additional adjusted time interval games that we seek are for those who would favor to play them, a vast (especially practical improvement) over the existing game because it is conceivable that every turn could be played by everyone who plays them without "passing out" due to lack of sleep in less than a day.

In the past "Requiem" has frowned on making any new improvements or additions to the "Ultra" line of games, but I honestly hope that he can see that we are suggesting a "boon" to the game in general because with these additions, people will be able to play them every weekend ... NOT just during summer vacations and more people like myself and those others of us who are playing them now will play them every day or at least every other day;
So if they get approved and you don't like them, you don't have to play them, but I'm sure that anyone who likes the "Ultras" will like these faster and/or slower versions also (i.e. if they get approved which I do doubt because I know "Requiem" has said he wouldn't do anything more with the "Ultras").

PS:
I also think that preferring to "pass out" for lack of sleep rather than play a game that would allow the player to finish in a *conscious state" is ... NOT to use the word "weird" ...
shall we say NOT a reasonable arguement?

TR

Last Edited : Tuesday, 22 March 2005 - 13:33

you seem unabled to understand my point taurus....my point is dont even waste the time on them....they are not really worth it...

i did not say i prefer to pass out...i merely said that i too passed out once in a while....obviously it was more of a "i fell asleep and forgot about everything" pass out....nonetheless it WAS a passing out....sleepy

"Ultima"
that is your opinion of them (i.e. that they are not really worth it).
I was one of the original advocates of the "Ultras" but I didn't play them because they are "unranked". After waiting almost two months to play a "ranked" game unsuccessfully, I decided to try the "Ultras" and I enjoyed it immensely except that it was a gruelling 5 day almost non-stop experience with only about 10 hours sleep in all that time.

I only waited a week to play the first one and now I'm in another after only waiting one day. Folks like these games and there is no denying it. It comes down to that folks really just enjoy a good strategy war game and don't really need the awards but they do help. I am working on a trophy.

Again the "Ultras" are quite enjoyable AS IS but they are too gruelling IMHO and I and several others would like to play them at a speed we think would overall be less gruelling. It is as simple as that (i.e. no major change ... just a faster "Ultra" and a slower "Ultra" because we think they ARE worth it and that the speed adjustment will make them more comfortable for us to play.

PS:
I understand you quite well "Ultima" but I just don't agree with you.
I like this game and I want to play it. That's my only motive and the "Ultras" have the fastest turn over IMO.
I am just trying to get them offerred in a variety of speeds like the regular games.

TR

No you didn't say that you preferred to "pass out" playing them and I didn't say that you said that you preferred to "pass out" playing them;
but you did say, "i too pass out sometimes" after saying that "15 minute games are not worth it" and after saying, "i often find myself joining ultra games when i have a long vacation...and on summers" which means that you do play them, and you don't like our idea which we think would allow us to play them without "passing out".

PS:
I leave the logical conclusion to the reader.

TR

"PS:
I also think that preferring to "pass out" for lack of sleep rather than play a game that would allow the player to finish in a *conscious state" is ... NOT to use the word "weird" ...
shall we say NOT a reasonable arguement?"(TaurusRex)

i dont know then maybe i am wrong about this PS....i mean it looks to me like you are trying to say something...only person this could be referring to is me...i mean if that last part were not there maybe i would consider it differently...but it looks like you are speaking about what i said there...correct me if i am wrong....

"PS:
I understand you quite well "Ultima" but I just don't agree with you.
I like this game and I want to play it. That's my only motive and the "Ultras" have the fastest turn over IMO.
I am just trying to get them offerred in a variety of speeds like the regular games."(TaurusRex)

OK i understand you do not....but your other post does not necessarily leave it at that...

""Ultima"
This is only the second time I have ever said "um", but anyway no where did I say,
"eliminate the "two-hour Ultras"";
So my friend if you like the "two-hour Ultras" AS IS,
I'm sure you will be able to continue playing the
"two-hour Ultras" AS IS; "(TaurusRex)

here you say "no where did I say,"eliminate the "two-hour Ultras""....i never said that...i am merely referring to the fact that what i said was merely that i thought it was a waste to think about it...never said anything like "you said we should eliminate two hour games" my post was pretty simple....also why leave it to the reader? lets make it easier for them we all know they are too dang lazy

"Ultima"
please reread my comment about "preferring to pass out for lack of sleep" until you realise that it is a general statement that refers to the general "illogic" of anyone falling to sleep playing a game and apparently preferring to continue that way rather than requesting that an adjustment be made to the speed of the game so that the game can be played to completion without falling to sleep.

You was not addressed in that comment. It was a general comment simply stating that IMO it is not a reasonable argument for anyone to think a game is "not worth it" yet play it, admit falling to sleep playing it and think that a game that can be played in less than a day might not alleviate the problem of not being able to stay awake playing it;
and I know you didn't say that "Ultima" but my conclusion is just a general logical conclusion not referring to anyone specifically and that's all I have to say about it.

TR

i allready understood from what you said... just saying it sounded like it was directed at me thats all geez

"You was not addressed in that comment. It was a general comment simply stating that IMO it is not a reasonable argument for anyone to think a game is "not worth it" yet play it, admit falling to sleep playing it and think that a game that can be played in less than a day might not alleviate the problem of not being able to stay awake playing it;"(TaurusRex)

i just think that a game that can end in one day is just not worth it...it would not alliviate it if i cannot even play my turns fully it would make it worse cuz id never get a full proof strategy rolling without sacrficing time...thats all...not to mention that a mere bathroom break would kill a whole turn...at least when you sleep you can easily pick a time of day to sleep 4 to 8 hours... which would kill an especific amount of turns...15 minutes means...computer crashes and you have a problem another turn gone unexpectedly....mom calls to eat...wants food on the table...another turn gone...you go to sleep by mistake...last at least 30 minutes....thats 2+ turns that are gone...i personally could deal with a system of the sort since at most i sleep 4 hours during ultras...one day in front of a computer is nothing but you want a solution and i just dont see it in this idea...but the thing is that it is not much better then the current one me thinks...

"and I know you didn't say that "Ultima" but my conclusion is just a general logical conclusion not referring to anyone specifically and that's all I have to say about it."(TaurusRex)


um...you already said that....you sure your not referring to my last comment?

I just don't see the problem...

Ultima- obviously you are against the idea of 15 min. turns...and you listed several reasons why. That's cool
They won't be for everyone. Not everyone will want to sit through an entire day, uninterupted, playing a super fast campaign, and that's ok, because the original ultras will still be there for those individuals to play.

The idea is just to see if a super fast campaign can be created, and if so, how many people would choose to play them. I, for one, do not like the ultras they they are structured now. I simply can't be competitive in a 2 hr/turn game that will last 5 days. Because of real-life obligations I simply would miss too many turns. An ultra that can be played start to finish in one day, on the other hand, would be right up my ally

So while there are many players, like yourself, that would be opposed to a super fast ultra, for whatever reasons, I also believe that there are many players, like myself, that would embrace them whole-heartedly.


The only two things we need to know are:

(1) Can an ultra be set up to play that fast...and
(2) Is there enough support for the idea to even go to the trouble.

If the answer is yes to both of those, then make it happen and TR, myself and others will have a blast playing them.

The ultras already in place will still be available for you, and any others, to play just like you always have

I really don't understand why your so adament about not even investigating the possibility of it...

Last Edited : Wednesday, 23 March 2005 - 08:36

I will play in superfast ultras!

i WOULD play such fast games were they ever to be introduced... i just think they wouldnt work that is all

Perhaps yes to 2), but I seem to recall Req saying the server just isn't built to cope with anything other than manual or hourly tick-overs. So probably no to 1), whether Req likes it or not.

Plus, the server may overload and die

BTW, that 20-player ultra game is now down to 2 players in turn 62. And not a single player of the 18 were eliminated. The other 18 players either were dropped due to inactivity or quit the game.

And the 4th ranked player in the game has no troop losses and killed 2 troops for 20 experience.

I joined an ultra inspired by this thread. It sucks! It includes some of the best players W.O.L. has to offer. None paying attention. Some already inactive. I'm truly disappointed! I've attacked one, taken the castle of another with no reactions. I may as well be playing a game with just bandits etc.. I will not waste any more of my time on it. If there is someone who is still in it (there was only five) I apologize for my inaction.

Join the 5 player games ...
you only need one good opponent.

geocities.com/marsgranite/UltraWar5.JPG

geocities.com/marsgranite/UltraWar6.JPG

PS:
Half hour ticks would be okay if the game was only 40 to 60 turns and if it could be "suped up".

TR

Last Edited : Thursday, 24 March 2005 - 17:50

Wow. Those are better than my spy reports! I didn't know they had satellite photo technology back then.

For a while there I thought this "Ultra 1" was going to turn into trench warfare.

PS:
Actually a game with "1/2 hr ticks" would not be good because it would still be dragged out over more than 3 days with even less possiblity for rest than the "2 hour tick" game.
It's either got to be full speed ahead at "3 or 4 ticks/hr" or slowed to a "4 hour" game to alleviate the "sleep deprivation".

Also, if the fast game could be had by using a manual turn system, I don't see any problem with that because the turn would be lost if your not there to take it anyway;
and unlike players who need to calculate every move, I tend to *deadreckon* almost every move so that I complete my longest moves in under 10 minutes.

TR