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-- Casualties reported as explosions hit the London Underground subway system
and at least one bus. Causes of the blasts are not clear.

90 casualties confirmed

This is teh sux.

I heard that a organisation linked with Al qaida is responsible for this.

No Hanky, an organisation _inspired_ by Al-Qaida is responsible!

And let us all immediately say out loud: Islam is not like that. Islam is a benign, innocent religion. It’s the fanatics that cause the trouble.



STUPID FOOLS!



WAKE UP!!! Do you want to wait over 50 years like Israel to accept that fact?!


In Bally –- it was a local Muslim organisation “with links”- i.e. inspired and maybe exchanged an email with Al-Qaida- which killed over 200 people.

In Madrid -- it was a local Muslim organisation “with links” to Al-Qaida, which killed over 130 people.

In London -- it was a local Muslim organisation “with links” to Al-Qaida which killed over 30 people (and counting).

and also in Turkey, Egypt, Morroco... in all these places it was a LOCAL organisation. It doesn't take much to enact this kind of terror act.


It will never happen in Germany *says the German* not to us, we never participated in the campaigns led by the Anglo-Saxons against the Arabs.

It will never happen in France *says the French* not to us, we love the Arabs, we let them terrorise Jews and raise funds for charities like Hammas and Hizzbollah anywhere they want.

It will never happen in the Netherlands *says the Dutchman* not to us, we allow containers full of ‘agricultural implements’ pass through our ports un-inspected.




Our hearts, sympathies and condolences go to the British and the residents of London, who instead of celebrating their win to host the 2012 Olympics, have to deal with the results of the cowardly murderous scum of the terrorist world. WAKE UP Europe, WAKE UP free world, take the gloves off and fight these *******s to the bitter end. This is just the beginning…

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We Americans know first hand how this feels as it waasn't to long ago we dealt with the same type of terrorist. I pray for all the British and the residents of London.

*sigh* pritty soon we wont have a world to worrie about if things like this keeps up

So, Rog, is the answer to kill every Muslim on earth? Or do we find a way to deal with these folks without killing them all? Genocide is really a bad idea in my opinion.

I've met Muslims who are just as "nice" as any westerner is, not all Muslims are fanatical killers, most want to be left alone to raise their children in peace. I'm sorry that their religion is so much crap, but that doesn't alter the fact that they are people and deserve to be treated as well or as badly as they act, individually.

I want Al-Qaida smashed. They are terrorists. Maybe the US could try to get ahold of their leader, Osama bin Laden? He is just a man who could be captured, you know. Maybe we should put our resources to work getting him? We could use the army in Iraq and Afghanistan to hunt for him, perhaps? Oh wait, we have to bring "democracy" to them first, then we can go after the real culprits.

Stop the hate and you stop the wars.

Getting Osama wont stop it Mog. It will take a united front from all the free nations of the world. Which will never happen as all most of them want to do is blame the United States for everything that goes wrong. It would not suprise me if the conspiracy theories start that we had teh bombs planted.

Wait for it...

My heart goes out to all the families of those londoners who had someone injurered or killed today. It was a horrible day for you as much as 9-11 was for us americans.
as i sit her and wonder how many people are really hurting over there across the ocean i also have a second thought and it might be a valid one where is the next bombing going to be and how will it happen they are fond of airplanes and trains we know that from spain and london the planes from america what type of bombing is next? and how many innocent lives will be lost invane in that one?

What is your definition of a "...united front from all free nations of the world."? Is it one that exactly follows Bush policies? Or one that is a mesh of policies from all points of view? You and more particularly Bush's idea of "united" is that you are either with me or against me. This is utterly doomed to failure, how can one be free (or united) if one's point of view is dismissed out of hand? Answer me that.

The only thing these people understand is Violence.

How do you want to stop them Sam? Negotiate and give them part of what they want? Then they want more so we negotiate again.

Terrorism has to be crushed. What happened in Spain and London happened because the terrorist see our weakness, our allies.

My definition would be people like Sam to stop the blame the US first act. I don't know about anyone else but I can feel the hate from the left for our country. Instead of words for support they usually have criticism and nitpicking. Sure they talk about support for our troops, but once something goes wrong they make a mountain out of a molehill. You can just sense their glee when something negative happens. Hey Sam it was a bad day for an allied nation so why don't you cut out your attacks on our Commander in Chief.

I don't think you sensed any glee from me when something bad happened, like GW was sort of elected President...I was very unhappy about that! I was very unhappy on 9/11....look, the US isn't entirely blameless in the world. We don't cause all the problems but we need to address the ones we do cause.

Are we as Americans supposed to just agree with everything our government does? I don't think so. Just because you want to solve the problems of violence with an ever increasing wave of more violence, that doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

I support our troops in so far as I don't wish them harm. When they go and do something I find abominable, such as torturing bound prisoners, well, I don't support them then. It is up to every individual to make up their own minds about their own actions, if people want to be soldiers, they must be ready to use their own consciences when told to commit a crime. Some people would rather go to jail than be in an army because ultimately they feel that armies don't solve problems, they only create them. Any army. Anywhere. That includes anyone who is willing to use violence to achieve their own ends as far as I am concerned.

Hate and violence just breed more of the same, and at the risk of sounding like an old hippie, all you need is love. It's hard to exist in this world, though!

Well anyway this is a good approach to a solution to the problem. First define the problem and as BA says many will say that we are the problem and they will even go as far as to say that we even gave ourselves an excuse to be our own problem but of course we know that if that were true our politicians would expose the truth and the American people would demand justice no matter who gets "hung out to dry";
So assuming there is a problem and it isn't us because we know we didn't do it to ourselves, the problem must be with them (that is whoever them is).

Well I have said it twice before that I don't like seeing our troops getting killed on sentry duty and I have to agree that there didn't seem to be a proper plan of occupation. IMO the first big mistake was taking Rumsfeld off the job and putting the state department in charge of Iraq and I'm still wondering about funds that were supposedly paid for things like wages with no accounting to verify it. I sure would like to have seen our troops behind concrete barriers and up in towers with perimeter fences rather than face car bombs with just their silk underwear. Losing Tommy Franks didn't help either because he was just the kind of tough nut we needed over there.

Okay enough criticizing us. If we had a cult in our country teaching our youth to do bad things, isn't there a possibility that the adults would all find themselves in an asylum and the children would be made wards of the state?
There was mention of the word reservation in another thread. Well when people are incorrigible and need to be monitored because they can't be trusted, sometimes they need to be seperated even from their children for the safety of the children and allowed all the freedom they want while being watched from towers on the other side of 12 foot fences.

TR

I wonder who benefits from these bomb blasts.. jee.. that's a tough one.

Well, I think this turned a bit self-centred… not ALL is about the USA you know! This thread was discussing the London terrorist attack, our sympathies for the British and the issue of terror, yet here we go again in some internal USA discussion on whether replacing Rumsfeld was a good idea or not.


@Mog – who said anything about killing all Muslims? Who said anything about genocide? Why are you implying such things and of all people preaching about this to me?
Islam as a religion is a dangerous thing. If allowed to act unchecked, as it does now around the world, it has an ingrained violent streak combined with severe brain washing capability through it’s 5 prayers a day practice. Nearly ALL Muslim countries function the way they do because of that! If it wasn’t for the oil which keeps them involved in the world’s top headlines, they’d be like Sudan or Chad; some third world countries dying of Aids and illiteracy. Unfortunate as it sounds, religious practices do lead to extremes and it doesn’t have to be David Koresh in Wako to get that effect. It’s whole nations which fight a holy war against the others, and breed hatred and evil in cells of their religion in other countries, where freedom of speech and religion are practiced and easily abused.

No one said ban Islam. No one said kill all Muslims. But since this religion does call for solving issues with force and to wage a holy war on all non-Muslims, their activities and actions must be monitored and controlled. Hizzbollah and Hammas are allowed to recruit and raise funds across Europe. So do other similar organisations. Of course they give to charity and help the needy. But they feed those needy only enough that they’ll join the cause and blow themselves up in busses, trains, planes and building of the infidels.

Has anyone ever checked the curriculum of hate preached in masques every Friday? In schools across the Arab world, presented to the kids through your GE, Sony and Siemens computers and projectors? Even we Israelis are guilty of similar things. The French are the best, they don’t pretend but simply sell arms, technology and freedoms to all those who can afford it. But I’m getting off topic here too.


The only way to combat terror is to attack it from both ends. One, supervise and control anything that reeks of the enemy, at home too and snuff it out while it’s still young. [No doubt certain civil liberties will be damaged here and there for the price of protecting the lives of many others]. Two, attack them in their home bases without mercy or quarter given. [Israel never lost a war until it was forced to negotiate and parlay with the terror countries.] The Brits MUST wake up, tighten security and crush down all organisations which openly preach against the West/Infidels/Christians & Jews/democracy/etc. THIS IS WAR , and the sooner people realise that, the smaller the amount of casualties will be. So should all other countries do. Examine every religion with a fine tooth-comb. Those call for violence and fighting civil liberties, should be the first to suffer its consequence.

My condolences go again to the British and Londoners who suffered. To the families who now grieve. May your sorrow lessen with time and may you find better ways to deal with those who aim to hurt you.

God speed.

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Hey look we didn't have to wait long:
www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/0889_what_behind_london_attacks.html

I want to sorry sorry to the british people and hope we didnt lose any players from there. I dont think anyone is to blame actually but the terrorist themselves we cant point fingers at the free countries after all they are just trying to maintain thier freedom and protect themselves from threats and weapons of mass destruction. on the lighter side of things i dont think bush can serve any more terms either right? isnt he maxed out and this is his last term? (jumps for joy) the end of bushism might or might not bring about the end of senseless bombings. again I'M SORRY FOR ALL THE LOSSES AND INJURIES TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE INVOLVED IN TODAY'S TRAGEDY

My mother is from England. She was born in 1924 in Morden, Surrey, London.

As a girl, she saw the blitz, the German attacks on London. She worked in London and went in every day. She saw the fighters dogfighting in the sky overhead. She saw London burn. Bombs fell in her neighborhood.

She decided early on that she could go mad or be tough and fight it out with her countrymen. She has stated to me that she never experienced solidarity with people as she did when they were all threatened with death, every day. It was actually a powerful experience just to know that everyone agreed, they must not bow to Hitler, whether that meant death or not.

Rog, I'm sorry if I read what you said wrong. Your country has experienced things no American has ever dealt with. We have no way to understand your reality having never experienced it. I have a lot of admiration for Isreal. You said "never again" to being killed without a fight. Bravo to you and yours.

London has been struck again, by cowards and terrorists. They won't and can't fight the armies or leaders of nations that they feel have harmed them. It is a horrible tactic and no one should use terrorism to achieve their goals, it makes them worse than any militarily confrontational nation who uses normal arms and tactics.

On the other hand, and there is always another hand, there are reasons that people do things. It isn't merely due to religious teachings that preach hate, it also has to with historical happenings.

The middle East, as you point out, without oil, would be as poor as any African nation, full of starving people. Therein lies the point I want to make.

The oil has made the area what it is, rich, wasteful and lazy. The companies who dictated policy to the governments who colonized, created and sustained dictatorship after dictatorship in the area are rightfully to blame for their actions, disrupting any move to throw them out, using the CIA and secret funds to subvert any moves the countries of that area have made to free themselves.

Just for one example, in Iran in 1954, the ELECTED President, Mossadegh, was in the process of nationalizing the oil of Iran, to wrest it from the foreign companies and governments who sought it for themselves. He was deposed by the CIA and the Shah was put in because he was pro-western and wouldn't rock the boat, so to speak.

He was a cruel and violent man who tortured and killed his subjects using his SAVAK secret police forces. He was hated in Iran by many and when he was overthrown, the people there picked a radical Theocratic state and did just what they had wanted all along, they took control of their own natural resources.

This is just one example of the grievances these people have against the west and I think that if more people took the time to research the history of the middle East, they would be shocked by what the colonial powers did to hold back progress there, for fear of an educated population that would protest their actions.

Is Islam a controlling religion? Very much so. However, I see other religions that control their followers as well. Is religion to blame for these violent acts? Is Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism responsible for the acts done in their names? I point to individuals and their own decisions for blame.

Why is it that I am called names and derided here for suggesting that perhaps the world has deeper problems, that the US is responsible for some of them? I can't in good conscience agree that everything I've seen the US do, under both Democratic and Republican presidencies is right. We have been responsible for many acts I find abhorent. This is not to attack the US only, I see NO country in the world that hasn't done awful things to SOMEONE at some time.