how does one stop a massive army of boulder demons, michael de ruyter had 26 of them i believe and moved them all as 1 large group... the best i could come up with was sucker him into the open where i had him surrounded..... but even then having SO many ranged troups made it impossible to kill them all. marksmen werent particularly effective b/c when i shot him both troops get injured.. and any melee units would just get beaten up on by 20 attackers at once, sending all melee units at once still proved ineffective.... im curious how you stop an army like this, b/c it seems rather stupid to have an army of 1 troop being capable of dominating all the other troops... there MUST be some way to stop the tactic b/c if there wasnt you could just leave your troops in 1 spot the entire battle and your opponent wouldnt be able to win b/c they cant kill them

thats what a person takes when he cant win a fair war

the point of the post was not to complain about the boulder demons, its to find out how to stop them

there is no stoping them only useing them better use neeths and boulders to full points in a small game and neeths boulders and wyns in a big game and to be great with that formation is very tricky

Well first you have to expect them,so you can counter them.
The only thing you can do successfully imo is a massed marksmen strat.Boulder demons can move 5 spaces on 100% grass and still attack at 42%.Just keep moving back and whittling them down.

Basically,fight the battle on your terms,not the enemy's.

dont forget the neeths who can stay behind out of range so that you loose marks )

Take those ****ers out first!
...because some of em have to go in front of the boulder army to protect it.

Last Edited : Friday, 21 November 2003 - 22:41

yeah u should have used all bali lol u beat him by range then

Squires can help, sort of, the 50% range bonus means it takes about 4 stacks to take each out. Don't take any heavy cavalry or macemen unless they have powerful melee guards, as they're just sitting ducks otherwise.

Oh, and NEVER try to face them with medi when they're troop of the day! That'd be extremely suicidal!!!

Finally, try to hope that they're using them because they aren't a very good general, because if they are better than you and have a better army it's fairly obvious who's going to win.


Kyrion

Last Edited : Saturday, 22 November 2003 - 07:19

If he stacked boulderdemons on troop of the day you might as well have given up and strat would most likely lose...

"marksmen werent particularly effective b/c when i shot him both troops get injured"
Last I looked boulders had range of 7 and marks at 8. You need to shoot from 8 squares exactly so not to take any retals from boulders.

and thus a massive marks team wont be very effective because they cant get close enough

Massive of marks will work fine! Just shoot at 8 hex away and you can take down the enemies easily.

If melees are protecting boulders, then you can either shoot down the melee first, or even lure them away from the main group.

BD

haha..nah....marksmen vs Boulders don't really work....just flannk the boulder peoples with faster troops...

what if you position a bunch of marksmen back, and in front have some melee just out of attacking range(to force them to move) then when them move up to attack, the attack will do less(because of the seige BP moving penalty) and your marks will be able to pick them off. But the best way is to get the marks in a position so they can't be countered and take off as many as you can then. Then you rush in those melee that are still alive to add further beatdown. This should considerably reduce their forces. In the end, you'll probably lose your melee, but there won't be enough boulders left to handle the untouched marksmen.

Also, couldn't melee chase them down? Especially a high movement melee like a heavy cav. They can't attack your melee from up close, because they will do low damage and get countered severely, so they will have to move back. As I previously mentioned, moving reduces the attack that can be done, while it'll barely affect a heavy cav, so you just keep on charging in and slaughtering.

All this is just theory, though, since I never was in such a situation and never was able to try any of this out.

10 boulder demons can kill 1 heavy cavalry each turn if they don't move too much, occasionally (when the rounding goes in their favour) they'll kill two.

Wonder if you could get a net of weak melee and entrap them, then shoot them with marks...

Personally I'd like to see there range dropped by 1, put them in line with archers (at least, in terms of range, obviously they do more damage..)


Kyrion

I've never tested this out to find out for myself, but...

Do catapults suffer a damage penalty when attacking melee troops? Can catapults even attack melee troops?


--Green Tea--

Catapults do suffer a massive penalty, boulder demons apparently not very much so.

But siege units do have more BP penalties per movement used I think.

I was running the numbers through the combat simulator --


Catapults seem to get a 90% damage penalty (only do 10% damage!) when attacking other melee units.

This damage penalty doesn't seem to apply when Catapults attack other seige units. They do maximum damage to other catapults, boulder demons, etc.

10 Catapults will destroy a stack of 10 boulder demons in one hit (500-600 catapult damage vs. boulder demons with 360 hit points).

I'm going to try and test this information out in a battle game. I'll post my findings here as soon as I can.


--Green Tea--

OK, so here's what I have:


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Boulder demons and catapults both lose BP at the same rate when they move.

A stack of 10 catapults does indeed demolish a stack of 10 boulder demons in a single hit. 2 catapults are lost in the process.

Even a stack of 8 catapults will destroy a stack of 10 boulder demons in a single hit. Again, 2 catapults are lost in the process.

A stack of 6 catapults probably will not destroy a stack of 10 boulder demons in one hit (although the boulder demon stack will be SEVERELY weakened).

Additionally, a stack of 10 catapults only needs about 65% BP to decimate a stack of 10 boulder demons. At around 55% BP, 10 catapults should kill 8 boulder demons.


OK, now when a stack of 10 boulder demons attacks a stack of 10 catapults, only 2 catapults are destroyed in a single attack. All 10 boulder demons are destroyed due to the catapult stack's retaliation.


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I'm going to go and test how much of a penalty catapults suffer when fighting against melee and ranged troops.

Be back later.

--Green Tea--