Warning - this is going to be a personal attack and I am sure it willl get ugly.

It is my opinion that the clan known as Insane Jester Alliance (IJA) is made up by a majority of bullies, gangbangers, nap breakers, and all around pathetic loosers. I dont think that the majoirty of them could win games 1v1 thus they play like they do. In all of my campaigns I have not had a game with one of them in it where something dishonest didnt happen. I have seen consistant gangbanging and strong arming other players into submission with the threat of gangbanging. This clan has no ethics and is bacially a bunch of thugs.

My persoanl experiences inclide : I have been a victim of NAP breaking when ZORG, who had an alliance with me was giving my troops positons and strenghts to Sugarleo who I was at war with. I have seen Zorg and Io gangbang a player right from the start, made me so mad that Gueritol and I came to his rescue and killed Io, but it was too late. I have seen Rex quit a game on turn 0 so Viva could easily get all his resources. That has happened more than once, it seems that they have an extra player join and then he quits on turn 0 and tells the others where he is so they can get his stuff. I have seen Funker strong arm Gueritol into giving up a castle or be gangbanged. I seen Viva and Grothard attack Wildcat together. I have had ethedog attack my troops while I was fighting Tyler in a fair 1v1 war. Funker has moved troops across the the entire board, from the snow to the swamp with the intention to attack me with his alli Viva, thankfully Sugarleo stepped in and Funker backed out. Currently in Game 17, Zorg is taking the reources that should belong to Byron while Funker attacks her so she cant do anything about it. And Zorg even has a NAP with her.

Last time me and Viva and Funker got into a flame war in the forums, KingRichard asked me to go to him in private so we could work out our issues and I have done so. His replies have been that there is no harm done and that his clan mates are in the right. I say then there is a problem with the leadership of IJA as well.

Granted, since Viva's latest public apology for the way he has acted in this game, I have not had any issues with him. But I'll not trust him again, ever.

This thread is made with the intentions of warning anybody that plays in games with these guys you will have to face extraordinary events in order to win and don't trust them. This thread is a continuation of a promise I made to open this into the public if proper actions were not taken.

Take from this what you will, post what you like. Defend your treacherous actions if you think you need to. But be warned that if these players are in your game, be wary.

wooo lets start with me for one, when i attack your stack of 5 spears (big deal) they were in my territory and you didnt attack tyler until later that round.what about the last game we were in and i was taking over negative creeps castle and your troops lined up in my territory less than a turn takeover and u were attacking. i beleive that was a one on one and i got the better of u i finnished second u third......

The situation is simple. I have been engaged in battle with Funker since turn 2 of Game 17. It started out at my goldmine ended up at his goldmine then is back at my castle. I concede the fact that within 5 turns I will be eliminated. THAT is not what bothers me. At the start of the game I sent out pop 5 scouts to see who my neighbors were. Bogo, who will be known as Bogo in this post due to the fact he has a long name and I'm not going to type it all out, is in the middle cursed and is engaged in battle with Rog. I found Braque in the lower grass and Zorg in the upper grass. I contacted Braque Bogo and Zorg seperately for the agreement that since I was engaged in battle with Funker that they would not interfere. All three gentlemen gave their assurance that they would not. On turn 18 or 19 I noticed with a pop 5 scout that I had in the snow on the border with Zorg that he had several large troops within my sight. I immediately messaged him as to what his intentions where. His response was that he was just "scouting". I let it go, because as I've mentioned the fight with Funker was taking up all my attention. Yesterday, however, I notice that Zorg has troops up at my 2nd metal mine that I had to stop from clearing due to Funker pressing me hard at my castle. This lead me to again message Zorg and to also bring this to the attention of BigAmigo in how to deal with the situation. I have no other belief that Funker and Zorg decided to have Zorg come into the area to clear those resources for their own devices to nullify any edge I might have gained over Funker in our battle. I NEVER once mentioned that they were gangbanging me. I did message the rest of the players in the game NOT affliated with IJA about the situation. This is the message I sent to them.


Gentlemen

As you all know I have been engaged in battle with Funker since turn 2...Now as it stands zorg has entered my lands WITHOUT my permission and is in the process of stealing certain resources that I have not yet been able to clear and take myself due to my battle...I am asking for help from anyone who will be willing to stop this from happening... I have been afraid of a double team from these 2 IJA players since before the game started and it looks as if that is what is happening..Zorg assured me that he would NOT interfere in my battle with Funker but I perceive this as interference on his part...Again I am appealing for help with this situation...

I said I was AFRAID of a double team from them NOT that they were in fact double teaming me. In itself it is not an accusation of guilt, only a possibility. I am TIRED of having to look over my shoulder in games when I have IJA players also playing. They tend to do things that they consider "reasonable" when in fact all they are doing are cheating to get what they want. Funker couldn't handle me 1 on 1 and had to get Zorg to come in as a diversionary tactic to keep me from being focused on him.

chit chat, close the thread asap here. or i´ll message req. no joke. no more comment. just close.
i haven´t read it btw.

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What's wrong with having the thread here? It is about clans and this is the Clans forum.

Misconduct (or alleged misconduct) of a clan is definitely a clan issue.

Nobody was pointing a finger only at you Viva. This is NOT about you.

Well, Req did write this as the clan forum description: "Talk about clans, recruit new players, and anything else clan related."

I think this qualifies because you are Talking about a clan? Also this might qualify as anything else clan related..

as i said i didn´t read it, but i know it is as always calling names, saying bad things, accusing, whatever related to this.
and this is only for chit chat.

please IJA keep out of this.

Hey Big Amigo...

Thank u for the info concerning the alleged shady character of some of the members of the ILA clan...........

however i dont beleive the Forums is the place for you 2 b voicing this opinion.....im sure your intentions may seem completely just and true. but please keep in mind this is a game people r here 2 play games....if someones picking on just get some buddies and go and pick on them...

As in sure u are aware there has been a seriosly bad turn in the forums lately. My hands r not clean and ive thrown the dirt with the best of them......

i have come 2 regret my own b#@!@# here, however well intentiond and well meant when first posted. however much ire and and holy wrath
Im sure u wil also b regreting your actions in the coming days. nothing good will come of this thread ..please close it for all our sakes...

if u got something 2 say please keep it private

Enough with this bad vibe,




P.S.

We @ SDR having been newley formed and full of vigour, with a depth of team unsurpased my any of the somewhat aged clans currently active r looking 4 A clan willing and able 2 at least construct some sort of defence before were drinking there beer and chasing down there daughters.....(or Sons of Gyne. lady Mia ect )

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jesus i was gonna b third......

BigAmigo: ROFL NOTHING MORE TO SAY TO U!

Byron: U wrote this: "You couldn't beat me in a 1 on 1 fight so you had to go looking for help."

What do we have? Isnt this a 1 on 1???

Hey! It seems that Zorg is even helping u in killing those "unknown" bandits and stuff. so if u beat me, u can easily get the ressource buildings back...i think zorg will let u, without losing units!

btw who says that the northern ice territory is ur territory? there are none of ur forces. like in my southern territory! bogo or andy42 could get the gempond very easily... i wouldnt get mad about it, coz right now i havnt the strength to fight down the "unknown" units there, just like u have (coz i killed them! lol ).


Viva is right! Some "meaning-makers" in the forums are hostile towards IJA. This is going on for several month... seems that someone is very jealous! It seems too, that someone wants to play "waronline-world-police" in here!

I can say for myself: I NEVER GANGBANGED SOMEONE ELSE!

If it got to a 2 on 1, it got this way, coz the one attacked me without purpose (bloodaxe... about 1,5 years ago or Cheyenne).

@ 'the funk'...
Comments directed at BigAmigo coming from someone that's only been in WOL about 90 days is much appreciated by him, I'm sure.

Certainly BigAmigo has the right to post his opinion, just as I've posted mine in the past(starting a number of flame wars).

It is advisable for the community to know IF certain players are not abiding by the general accepted behavior aka 'unwritten code of conduct'.

I've never been known to desire anything but killing BigAmigo in my games, but in the game he mentioned I did speak with Viva and Funker and suggested/agreed to a 1 on 1 fight with Funker...as it 'appeared' a situation could materialize with BA confronting both Funker and Viva. This allows Viva and BA to have their fight on their own and me and Funker will have some fun soon.

I have not yet experienced any bad situations with IJA members (other than the individual acts of Zorg as BA described) and hopefully will not. Viva and I have had our past fights...Funker as well, and so far in my personal dealings with them, no deal was broken.

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hey sugarleo i read as far as"only been at Wol 90 days" and stopped reading

perhaps Wol need some fresh blood?? rather than just digging over old issues we can take thing forward....

We need 2 check your attitude people....

get a grip, its just a game...and as i said before Wol is going 2 the dogs..Alltough i have only been here "90 days" i have had enough time 2 dig through the forums and have seen all the positive input by these many many people.

however the state of the forums of late is terrible..i dont mind the spam so much but the finger pointing is all getting a bit much.Someones gonna get there eye poked out here man.....if people r supposed 2 b cheating then dont ever play them.........

This is my last post here...please if u want 2 speak 2 me im in Irc all the time or message me

i say again please, for the love of Wol close this thread

I learned not to trust Zorg my first game in waronline. He napped with me then backstabbed me with two other guys while my army was mostly elsewhere. So Byron it probably would be prudent to keep an eye on him. The other members I have never had a problem with.

smell...'the funk'?

"This is my last post here..."
Glad to hear it, if you don't have anything further to contribute to the topic then shutting up IS the thing to do. Thanks.

"if people r supposed 2 b cheating then dont ever play them........."
Another example of someone blabbing when they don't know enough. Just perhaps, you need to dedicate alittle more reading time, and excuse the possible idea...that perhaps alittle experience here will add to the 'knowledge' and 'instruction' you're so anxious to share with us. For your information, we don't 'control' who enters a campaign game....you don't choose your opponents. We're not talking about 'battle' games here.

"hey sugarleo i read as far as"only been at Wol 90 days" and stopped reading "
Great! That's all that was intended for you.

Everyone else, excuse the answer to the funkie's direct address....

As we've all seen many times, disagreements are plentiful between individual players as well as clans. This once again proves the need for extra communication at times to clarify agreements and naps. And if a player or players ARE breaking agreements...then announcing the occurences is legit.

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The odd thing, is tha with the obvious coordination that IJA has had with each other in regular games, you would think they wouldn't suck so bad in Clan games. I guess they are only good at coordinating in 2v1 or 3v1/2 situations not 5v5.

@crovax LOL

Well... I kinda like this thread..

1. As explained in so many threads, this community polices itself. If issues awake between individuals or clans, this community has some capability to exert its power if only by weight of general consensus. Some issues are more acceptable and agreed upon than others just like some individuals and clans are. Thus, if someone or a group errs or abuses on regular basis, this community WILL try to deal with them _publicly_ before turning to the highest authority for judgement.

2. I think this particular issue is to be determined not on the basis of ‘not/guilty only if beyond reasonable doubt’ but in stead based on ‘not/guilty on a balance of evidence’. It might very well be the case that there are one or two or maybe even three rotten elements in IJA, that spoil this clan’s reputation and standing, and while this is an internal clan matter to deal with, this community is still entitled to express it dismay of these individuals behaviour.
[I’ve had more than my fair share of disagreements with one particular IJA member and good rapport with another of them. I can only hope that the latter will prevail in the ethics of this clan, though currently it doesn’t look like it.]

3. @Funk- I can understand your dislike of the topic of the thread. No one likes dealing with it, not even BA who started this thread. But we all have our dislikes and I disagree on your liking of spam. While this thread might be unpleasant, it is crucial for the correct functioning of this community, IF it is resolved. Spam is just PURE stupid,… but this is not the topic here.

4. The issue of Byron’s mines and resources: Even before the game started, Byron expressed her concern that IJA will go after her ASAP and it was Turn 2 that brought Funker charging. Grudges and score-settling is a private business and if bad blood exists between players, that is to be expected and understood in this WAR game. But, I think zorg might have erred, even if in total honesty for two reasons: the first is when you NAP with someone (and I shall refrain from getting into the argument of NAP types), it is only polite to send a notice on entering one’s territory, and lets not beat around the bush about it – everyone in this game considers their half of the starting terrain as their territory, even if not everyone follows these codes. The second mistake zorg made was to take resources from someone who is battling his clan member. While it MIGHT have been purely accidental and he is even doing her a favour, it still only adds pressure and looks ‘iffy’ to the ‘besieged’ player. It’s not just the issue of facts, but the issue of intent and if any of you are familiar with the criminal law workings, you’ll know that Intent plays a great part.

5. Maybe this debate has reached its peak and no more words are required here. Maybe IJA need to consider their position in this game or community and decide to do something to prove their accusers wrong, or just ignore the whole thing. Whatever happens, in Game 17, in this thread or this community, there’s a lesson to be learned here…and to remember that this community WILL do something (or at least loudly grumble) about internal friction.

6. Last point: In the spirit of reconciliation and sportsmanship, I invite everyone to spank Mog. Never a better opportunity to unite under a common cause and good wholesome fun.

Hey, I was staying out of this! Now I'm going to get spanked? I'm in CoC. the best, most honorable and best clan there is! Spank that!

yeah well Mog in my opinion it is the best to stay out every thread in which you have to give your opinion

lately i've noticed that when you give an opinion in some threads and your opinion is an other opinion then the majority of WOls players you get ****ed

lately i've posted some post in threads and i've upset people , i even lost a friend here in waronline just because he didn't like my posts....

at this moment i'm thinking of quiting to particpate in the forums.... every week i hear from players: ' why aren't ector and tarim and hwatta posting in the forums'
at this point many Wol players are so damned Hostile to each other ( i have to admit i did the same and i regret it now) that there isn't any fun in posting your opinion in this kind of threads.

so i guess that from now on if people want to argue with me about some things they will just have to speak to me in privatly and not in the forums

greetings,
Hankyspanky

hi Rog!

What do I have to do? Let Jessica live? I dont know... my aim was, to kick out the other one in the ice territory from the beginning! I didnt know who he(her) was... if u were there i would have battled u, for sure. now she's losing and crying that she has been gangbanged or NAP-breaked or anything else... just to say, that i am a low-skill player and she would have beaten me in a 1 on 1... well...

doesnt matter.... we both had the same chance to beat each other and she seems to be losing (cant really say if she does atm).

another thing BA mentionend was, that IJA always queues players who quit in the beginning just to leave ressources etc. for other IJA players. He is posting this without any evidence, nor he knows who quitted the game!

BA is trying to destroy the reputation of IJA, I dont know why, but he pulled his personal "war against evil" jesters in the forums (the forums are the home of BA! Here is his word truth, no matter if he is right or not.).

BA, u dont like me (Lazarus, u remember!) and i dont like u, coz in my opinion, u are a bugabuser! but i paid this kinda back to u in the same game where u abused the bug! unluckily not that succesful like the advantage u had in using the bug.

I think its not fair to not answer ingame messages about ending a nap or renewing it, BA.